Jan. 28, 2026

The Secret to Aging Like Fine Wine Is In Your Daily Routine

The Secret to Aging Like Fine Wine Is In Your Daily Routine

Send us a text Think slowing your biological age needs expensive doctors and fancy tech? Julie proves you can do it with smart basics and a budget. She went from depression and heavy metal toxicity to measurable aging improvements using detox, protein targets, daily greens, and a practical senolytic stack. Her DunedinPACE results dropped from 0.76 to 0.65, even during stressful months. This episode breaks down what actually moves the needle for health span: resistance training, clean fish cho...

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Season 1

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Think slowing your biological age needs expensive doctors and fancy tech? Julie proves you can do it with smart basics and a budget.

She went from depression and heavy metal toxicity to measurable aging improvements using detox, protein targets, daily greens, and a practical senolytic stack. Her DunedinPACE results dropped from 0.76 to 0.65, even during stressful months.

This episode breaks down what actually moves the needle for health span: resistance training, clean fish choices, sleep, sunlight, and simple supplements. 

No hype, no extremes, just real steps you can start today.

If you want a clear, affordable anti-aging plan, this one is for you. 

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00:00 - Mission And Underdog Theme

01:18 - Introducing Julie And The Biohacking Rivalry

02:19 - World Travel, Culture, And Perspective

06:55 - Starting Businesses Abroad And Free Zones

09:59 - Becoming A Reluctant, Budget Biohacker

12:04 - Rock Bottom Health And First Nutraceuticals

18:01 - Food Quality, Supplements, And “Dark Matter”

22:18 - Heavy Metals, Detox, And Chelation

26:13 - Diets, Personalization, And Epigenetics

31:35 - Fasting, FMD, And Senolytics 101

34:58 - NOVOS Study And Pace Of Aging Results

38:12 - Beating A Wealthy Competitor On $100

41:05 - Exercise, Brain Health, And Parkinson’s Risk

44:03 - Start Small: Movement, Veggies, Consistency

47:06 - Mindset, Resources, And Doing What You Can

01:17:21 - Closing Thanks And Content For Good

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Hello and welcome to Underdogs, Bootstrappers, and Game Changers.

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This is for those of you that are starting with nothing and using business to change their stars.

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Motivating people who disrupted industry standards.

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This is the real side of business.

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This isn't Shark Tank.

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My aim with this podcast is to take away some of the imaginary Roblox that are out there.

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I want to help more underdogs because underdogs are truly changed the world.

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This is part of our Content for Good initiative.

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All the proceeds from the monetization of this podcast will go to charitable causes.

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It's for the person that wants it.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Underdogs, Bootstrappers, Game Changers.

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And I'm here with my incredible friend, Julie Gibson Clark.

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Thank you so much for being here.

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Thank you for having me.

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I'm honored to be here.

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And thank you, everybody, for tuning in today.

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I appreciate it.

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I'm so excited because we have an incredible underdog story.

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You like to like diminish it, but I see it as an incredible underdog story.

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Okay.

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Anytime the little guy is kind of not fighting, but uh let's say I want to use the word combating, but it like it's it's fair play, right?

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You guys, you guys are in an interesting space, biohacking.

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Yeah.

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Um, and one person has an incredible amount of means and one person does not.

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Yes.

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And so we're gonna tell the story about the ultimate underdog, right?

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And how you have been able to be competitive with one of the richest man richest men in the space in biohacking, right?

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Your age um pace of aging.

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Pace of aging has been competitive and even less at times than him.

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Yes.

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And actually, if you still, if you I think if you waited it for my age, which you're supposed to do because I'm 10 years older than him, I'd still be, if not beating him pretty stinking close.

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Yeah.

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So I don't I don't know where his what his current scores are, but and I'm getting better every day.

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So And everybody probably is aware of who this is.

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He actually had a son just so he could take blood donations.

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Nah, and let's not let's not let's not put him down.

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We're we're not going to.

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That's his thing.

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But uh, but I just want to give them an intriguing notion about uh who it is you're competing with.

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But first, I want to start uh a little bit further back.

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And I want to talk about I know you've been like all over the world.

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Yeah.

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Lived in Dubai, you know, lived in what other places?

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Well, I mean, like I whenever I meet people, it's like, where'd you grow up?

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I'm like, oh, we need infographic and like PowerPoint presentation, you know.

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So yeah, born in Houston, Texas, then went to California, then to Germany, back to Texas, back to California, California to New Orleans, New Orleans to Portland, Portland to Germany, back to Germany, Germany to Doha Cutter, Doha to Phoenix, and then Phoenix to Dubai, Dubai to Phoenix.

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We there was a lot of Phoenix to Dubai for several different years over the course of a decade.

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And now this is the longest place I've ever lived in one consecutive bit.

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And in fact, this April will be nine years in one place.

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That's incredible.

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Because otherwise, like I had never I lived in Portland seven years before that, and that was the longest I'd ever lived somewhere.

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Favorite place in the world to live in.

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Why?

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Where like of all the places I've lived, oh hands down, like the Middle East.

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I loved it'd be it'd be really easy for me to say Dubai, but honestly, I really love living in Doha Qatar a lot more uh because you hear the call to prayer uh five times a day.

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Yeah in Dubai it's a little bit more subdued.

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You really are living in the Middle East.

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Um still the common language is English, so I didn't have to learn Arabic, but there was enough people there speaking Arabic if I wanted to learn.

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Um, you know, and like my radio, this is the before the days of all the stuff we have now, so I guess I could have made my whole day in English, but part of my day was in Arabic just by listening to the radio and things like that.

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And I like I love that kind of adventure.

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I think living in Germany when I was very young, I was like eight years old and not knowing the language.

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Yeah.

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And I'm really like I pick up languages pretty quickly, I have a pretty good ear.

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And I was the one that kind of did all the speaking for my family, like everywhere we went.

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And I don't know, I just kind of like that was became a point of pride maybe for me.

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I don't know, but yeah, I just really love like seeing what's around the next corner.

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I'm with you, like to experience like such different cultures is just I think everybody needs to do it.

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I mean, I cornered a um fight in Chechnya, and um we were actually like I remember one we were working out in the gym, and then all of a sudden the prayer call goes and everybody goes over to the corner corner, you know.

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It's like really interesting notion, and it like is a reminder of being in such a different world, you know, which I truly love experiencing like that stuff too.

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I love that because you learn like how people, for lack of a better way of saying it, like everybody slices the onion a little differently.

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Yeah, and it helps you get out of yourself.

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Like you're like, okay, I have this problem, and then having friends from other cultures, learning like I would in Dubai I was in a book club, you know, and we were all I mean, it was like a model United Nations, you know, book club.

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Not we're not trying to it just and so when we would discuss a topic, it was just so much more rich, you know, to hear different people talk about how they were raised in their culture and how they saw the book, you know, based on that.

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It was so interesting.

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I think that it would be fascinating.

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And I think that like anybody that has like any sort of hate in their heart towards people, you know, by typecasting them or whatever you want to say.

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I don't want to go too much deeper than that.

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I just think they haven't seen enough of the world.

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I think so too.

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Because if you've seen the world, you know, you don't think I mean we we arrived in Chechnya, and I don't know this for sure, but I believe you couldn't even travel there as an American.

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Happened to be the president at the time of Chechnya, was a huge MMA fan.

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So he personally signed our visas.

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So we get to go like somewhere like nobody gets to go.

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And we had these bodyguards because they were war-torn country until recently, like completely dismantled.

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And uh this old man, he's wearing like turban or whatever, starts running at me, and my security guards get all freaked out.

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And I'm like, no, it's okay.

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He rums up to me, he hugs me, and he says, Thank you so much for coming to my country.

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And I kid you not, it was the most incredible experience.

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Everywhere we went, huge, like just like in Spain, soccer is like the big thing, MMA over there.

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Oh, that's so cool.

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And uh, so everywhere we went, everybody wanted to take pictures with us and you know, stuff like that.

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It was just so otherworldly, you know, and then like such an incredible experience.

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But uh I always I always say at the end of the day, like if if people are afraid to travel, I guess.

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Yeah.

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At the end of the day, really everybody just wants to have a peaceful life and feed their family and get a little ahead.

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Like that's really about it, and share what they love about their country.

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I mean, people are so proud, especially as an American to go travel and another, like they're so happy you're there.

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Yeah, so happy.

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I mean, I had the fortune, I suppose the good fortune of being able to go to Afghanistan and like, you know, when we start talking about food with the chefs and like, oh my god, like they're just they're so proud, you know, of like where like it's just every country I've ever been to, I was it Croatia, like way before it kind of became like a vacation spot, you know, same thing.

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It was just like people are just so proud, you know, and they they're they know so much about Americans and they know we don't travel, so when we go, they're so happy to see you.

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That's been my experience.

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And like the less Americans into a place, the more I like going.

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I mean, when I went to Nigeria, the kids are so unused to seeing somebody with hair.

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Like I have a lot of hair, you know, they would come up to me like a cat from behind and pet me.

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And it's like those little things in life, it's like you can't, you can't hate after that.

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Yeah.

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There's only one country I won't go to again, but I've told you Mexico.

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So I was thrown in jail for no reason.

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Yeah.

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That can leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

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But it I have no problem with the people.

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It was just, you know, the the whole, yeah.

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Anyway.

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The how how was it that you ended up traveling so much throughout the world?

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I just like to travel.

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Uh-huh.

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Pretty much I was never like, oh, I'm gonna take a job and then let that job take me wherever.

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It was like, I think I want to move to Germany.

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You know, I want to move to Oregon.

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I want to move, it's like I wanted to move to Oregon.

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I started a business, and then I kind of was like, I was in, you know, like luxury weddings and things.

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Oh, okay.

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And I wanted to move to Germany and I had graphic design skills, so I found a job with the military.

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So I closed my business, but I knew being weddings is like, well, everyone gets married every year.

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I have a whole new set of clients every year.

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It's not like I had repeat business anyway.

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So I thought, well, I can just go for a year and then come home if it doesn't work out.

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But that ended up really working out, and they sent me to the Middle East.

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And um, after that, it was kind of me moving around.

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But how how did you end up in Dubai?

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What kind of work were you doing there?

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It luxury events, because I had learned in Dubai you can have your own business there.

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It's very easy to set up a business.

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Interesting.

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So they have these uh economic zones where you just rent an office in that economic zone, and now instead of like in the Middle East, it usually works where you have to have a local partner.

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Uh-huh.

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So like that partner, um I I don't know all the ramifications, but like they get you into that country, but they take 10% of all your profits.

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Oh wow.

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So yeah.

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And um there are so they kind of help you navigate getting into it.

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But so now that so when Dubai set up an economic zone, that changed everything.

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Okay.

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So now it's like, okay, I can, as Joe Blow graphic designer, I just have to rent an office in this free zone, as it's called.

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And, you know, that's it.

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Like now I don't I don't have to have a local partner.

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That is my local partner by paying for that.

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What about like so here in the US we have LLCs, EIN numbers, things like that?

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What was navigating that process over there difficult?

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No, I don't uh because they're not as litigious like like we are.

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We have that for litigation purposes.

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Yeah, litigation purpose.

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Right.

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Like if I you know hurt myself here, I wouldn't be able to go after you personally kind of thing.

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They don't really uh I mean I never encountered that.

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I didn't really talk with lawyers and do you think there's a lot of opportunities there?

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Yes, I do for Americans going over there to start businesses?

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I don't know what the the climate is like now, but uh yes, in the past for sure.

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That's intriguing.

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Absolutely for absolutely for sure.

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So how would you label yourself these days?

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Can I call you a biohacker or like what's the Yeah, I know, right?

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I call myself a reluctant biohacker because I don't I don't do all the things, not because I don't want to, I just don't have the budget for it.

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But I've also just learned, you know, there you can get very far by just doing the basics.

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So you're a bootstrapper biohacker.

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Yeah, or bio optimizers.

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I love it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh yeah, very much a bootstrapper.

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And that's how I ran all my businesses.

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Always, always, always, always never, um, never like, oh, I don't have this, I don't have that.

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It's like, what can I do?

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What can I do?

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What can I do from that mindset?

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I always love it when we have like what I call the trifecta of a guest on because it's underdogs, bootstrappers, game changers, right?

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And so when we have the trifecta of all those things on the podcast, it's the ultimate.

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And most like we're like, I'm pretty selective in who I bring on here.

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So most of the time we get we get all three.

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So yeah.

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I'm not I'm not on the game changer yet, but I'm working on it.

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I think you're changing the game.

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A lot of that's the other thing about my bootstrappers, you know, uh, underdogs, game changers, they don't even realize how much impact they're actually having.

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So um, yeah, really intrigued.

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Like, how did you initially get into like the thought like I want to fix my health and I want to hack this baby and be like as healthy as possible?

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First of all, I never thought of it as hacking because that just like that's just like nails on a chalkboard to me.

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I'm like, oh, I don't want to hack my cells, like I want to optimize them.

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And it really just came about from being really sick in my 30s.

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I was just, you know, like had I was already on one medication, then it was like you're gonna be had another problem, I was gonna be on another medication.

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And then and I just kept thinking like what was the feeling?

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Like what what when you described sick, like what did you like um stomach or energy?

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I was really, I was really depressed.

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I was put on an antidepressant, but you know, I had been through a marriage and a divorce and like quit my job that I had gone to school for.

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I was a structural engineer, I had no idea what I was gonna do.

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But I was also drinking a bottle of wine every night, followed by like some Lefroig whiskey, you know.

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Like, I mean, there it was like, and no doctor ever asked me how much are you drinking?

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Sure.

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You know, I was not exercising and I had been like a weightlifter before that, you know.

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So it was like I just it's weird to me in hindsight that that was never asked.

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It was just like, here's the medication, and now I was having stomach problems, yeah.

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Probably from the medication, but also just from all the stress of everything.

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Sure, you know, and um it was like, okay, well, here's another medication.

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And thank God it was something like my stomach issues because I just kept thinking, well, I don't need a medication for my stomach issues, I just need to figure out how to eat better.

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Like that doesn't seem right to me.

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Did you know much about diet before that?

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Or were you?

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No, but it just like intuitively, it was just an intuitive thing, like this doesn't seem right.

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And I thought, I don't, I'm like third, I'm literally 30 years old.

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I was 30 years old at the point.

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I thought, I'm not gonna be on this medication the rest of my life.

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This is ridiculous.

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So I went to a naturopath and that's she said, I'm gonna put you on a nutraceutical protocol.

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And I was like, Okay, what is that?

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You know, and um so in the process of learning that that was actually really effective, like I had been taught up until that point um that taking vitamins and all that, that that was just expensive urine.

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I was a structural engineer.

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We used to work at um, I was working at a wastewater treatment plant.

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It's a poop plant, people and you can see these initial like filters, so you get to see all the stuff that people flush down their toilets that can't go through the you see a lot of vitamins in there.

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So I was like, okay, well, that's just a big waste of money.

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You know, like you see, I mean, who knows whether maybe somebody just threw them down the toilet or whether that was, you know, but you see a lot of you see a lot of stuff.

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And and um let's chat about that for a quick second.

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I want to pause right there because I don't want to miss that.

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Okay.

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Um, here's my instinct on vitamins.

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Yeah.

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And like, let me know how you feel about it.

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It's like, um, if I'm gonna build a house, right?

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And I let's say two, I'm gonna set two people to building a house.

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Over here, I give you gum drops and like uh pixie sticks and uh, you know, like I'm trying to think of crappy building materials.

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And on the other side, I give you brick and cement and these sort of things.

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You know, it's like who's gonna build the better house, no matter how talented you are.

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So when we say to our body, like, hey, build me this amazing specimen of a human being, and we put in the bad materials, you get bad out, right?

00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:46.240
And so people want to, and this is just my sense on vitamins, it's like, yeah, we probably get rid of a good majority of it, but we've at least given the building blocks to potentially use them as a house.

00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:47.039
Well, yeah.

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I mean, in the process, I mean, when she put me on this and it worked, yeah, I mean, like worked brilliantly.

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I was like, and there was no like negative repercussions and I didn't need to be on it on the rest of my life.

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It was like, this is just for X amount of time until you feel better, then you'll taper taper down, you know.

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And um I don't know, I just was like, oh, okay, actually these things are effective.

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They're very like very effective.

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Yeah.

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So um I don't know.

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I just was like, okay, I'm not anti-vitamins at that point.

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I mean, essentially is really what I and I just remember, you know, her saying, like you should really just at least take a multivitamin and oh, you need to make sure it's pharmaceutical grade.

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You know, so she sure like this is I mean, we're talking 2000, the year 2000, so before kind of any big explosion.

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Yeah.

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Um, and so I was, I was careful about that.

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She was also careful.

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She mentioned like always being on a probiotic or eating probiotic rich foods.

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This was again, you know, 25 years ago.

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Do you do you switch your I want to hit some key things?

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Yeah, I do, I do, I do.

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I switch your body.

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If you use the same one over and over again, it doesn't have the same value over time.

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I don't nobody ever told me that, but I just always feel like it kind of makes sense.

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You should have like a whole bunch of different bugs going on.

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Yep, yep.

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I don't know, it just seems right.

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So um anyway, so I just was ne at that point forward, I wasn't averse to taking supplements, but I also have had this very strong belief, and this comes from my parents.

00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:14.639
So, like my dad is like the OG biohacker.

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Like, really?

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Oh yeah, like we could we could have a whole podcast on my dad.

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Uh-huh.

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Um, but he was always like experimenting and reading and like, you know.

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What's his background?

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Okay, so so so my dad isn't uh scientist, he has a PhD in physics, solar physics.

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That's awesome, but he was hired as an astronaut for NASA.

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So flew on Skylab three, and when he started the program, there were 2,000 scientists, you know, um, that they whittled down to three and maybe a couple backups, I don't know, but so three missions.

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And um, he was one of them that made it.

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Now he's like, I don't want to say he's a little guy.

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I mean, he played college football, but he's not like a you know, and he had like osteomolitis when he was younger.

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He was not like this overly healthy military pilot.

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He's joining now and like training with Neil Armstrong and like all the greats.

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And I I asked him one day in the college, I said, How did you do that?

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Like, that's really crazy, you know.

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Like, how did you go in there every day and not be like intimidated?

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And he says, Well, you know, I used to just tell myself every single morning they all put their pants on one leg at a time, and that's what I do too.

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And so, like, it was just like I was just listening to somebody some navy seal saying, like, say, like, if a human can do it, I can do it.

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Like, if you know, like I I love that like mindset, and it just that changed my life.

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So, but he was always like into the supplements.

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Now, meanwhile, you got my mom, right?

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Yeah, she's like raised on a farm, like she'd always say, you don't eat all those pills, you know, just eat real food, eat healthy.

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So I have these two voices in my head that I'm always trying to navigate.

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It actually sounds like the combination of the two is probably perfect.

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I think it worked out well.

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I think it worked out okay because I and and this is what I'm really trying to teach myself now.

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Like, there's this whole field, nutritional dark matter, that they talk about.

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Like we have 139,000 um molecular, molecular components to food, and we only know like this many of them.

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Yeah.

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So there's It's amazing how little we actually know.

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Right.

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Like, like you know, you think, oh, I'm gonna get an orange because it's got vitamin C in it, and okay, there's got some fiber, you know, okay, that's great, and some pectin.

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Okay, so we know that.

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But there's probably another 100,000 things happening in there that we don't know.

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I mean, even when it comes to like testing and stuff, it's like, let's say you grab the lean pocket meal and it says like it should have 400 calories.

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They're allowed to be in.

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Do you happen to know this?

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I think it's within a 50% variance or something like that.

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So they don't even have to be close to accurate.

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So you think you're getting like 20 grams of protein, you could be getting seven.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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My son has been telling me this.

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He's like, you know, yeah, mom, yeah, you don't know.

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And da-da-da-da.

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So you might as well get the whey protein, it's better for you, and da-da-da.

00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:54.480
You know, anyway.

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You know, like uh, and I bring like I actually get a lot of hate for this in this kind of space, but like thermodynamics, energy is never created or destroyed, it's only transferred.

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And so theoretically, like then, and I might have heard this somewhere.

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Sometimes I forget what my own is and one of the what I read somewhere, but uh the in full disclosure that in case this is actually somebody's, you know, that's not mine, but it's like getting as close to the kill as possible, right?

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And it's like whether you're vegetarian or like you eat meat, you know, like the second something is killed, it's in state of decay.

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If it's in a state of decay, it's releasing its resources to the world.

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If you're consuming that as quickly as possible between that, you're consuming the most amount of nutrients and resources.

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Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me.

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Yeah.

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So that's why like fresh foods are imperative, you know, or like flash fresh flash frozen foods, that sort of stuff is like where you've stopped the decay.

00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:48.079
And I don't think enough people think about that either.

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I don't think so either.

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But I think we've just made it too easy.

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And we've had, I mean, let's face it, like when I was going to the doctor in 2000, you know, the thinking was you can eat whatever you want.

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Like that doesn't, that's not going to make any difference.

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That was their that was like the mindset in the medical.

00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:04.400
Calorie crowd.

00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.200
Yeah, but also like your health didn't depend on that.

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You just come back to us.

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We've got a medication for you.

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And I I don't think the doctors were trying to be, I really don't think the medical profession is trying to be um, I don't know, you know, pull one over on us.

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I think that they truly believe that because they just hadn't studied, we didn't know enough about food.

00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:25.759
Yeah.

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And um, I mean, I just can't tell you how many arguments I would have with people.

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And I finally just learned to kind of be quiet, you know, but like that were in the medical professions, like, no, that doesn't matter, that doesn't matter, until finally, it seems like maybe around 10 years ago, it started shifting.

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Like my brother was an MD and was able to kind of talk with him and you know, got him into interested in like a little bit of vitamin C and this.

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And then he was like, Oh, you know, because I was in chelation therapy, and he's like, What are you doing?

00:20:53.519 --> 00:21:01.759
That sounds dangerous, you know, and he was looking into it, but then he saw like how it helped me, and then he's like, Okay, there is something to what you're doing.

00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.720
So, you know, I it anyway, it's interesting.

00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:10.799
Um, but I do think we had I think it had more to do with the pharmaceutical companies.

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Yeah.

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Like, I mean, they're basically sponsoring the medical school, you know.

00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:19.759
So everyone's now becoming more aware that light is shining in the world.

00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:26.799
Isn't it crazy that like 20 years ago to even talk about food as a healing source is is like backwards almost?

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And now today it's like so intuitive.

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I saw but not everybody knows this stuff.

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It's so intuitive.

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Like my undergrad's in biochemistry, like, and I'm fascinated by fitness and things like that.

00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:38.319
And so like it's so intuitive to you and I.

00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:48.799
But I watched a documentary, and like the lady was overweight and her kid was overweight, and she's like, I'm feeding him all the lead pockets that I can give him, you know, and like literally she thought that was like putting him on like says lean.

00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:49.759
Yeah, exactly.

00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:56.880
And I so I forget sometimes that we need to be like more base level, you know, with some of the um impactful things, you know.

00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:01.440
And so, anyways, I kind of interrupted us, but we'll continue our journey.

00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:04.559
Uh, so we um we are at the part where you're not feeling well.

00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:07.119
Yeah, start some protocols.

00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:10.720
Yep, start some protocols and then and then and she's asking me, What are you doing?

00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:12.480
You know, oh you you really shouldn't be drinking.

00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:16.240
That's not gonna help, you know, especially red wine is very, it's a very much of a depressant, you know.

00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:21.279
Don't do that, you know, on occasion, fine, but don't do it every night and just have a glass.

00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:23.519
And she would show me what an actual glass was, you know.

00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:27.599
Yeah, like, oh wow, and look at that, I lost like 40 pounds, like just like boom, you know.

00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:29.359
It all turns into the sugars in your body.

00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:30.160
Yeah, it's crazy.

00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:36.559
And so well, and she said, you know, if you like like working out, go back to the gym, like that'll help you.

00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.559
So, of course, I started doing all that.

00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:39.519
I started feeling great.

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That's when I was like, I started my business, I was just in a good place.

00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:47.920
And so, um, and then I moved to Germany and I'm now I'm with the military.

00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.279
That was kind of I mean, I wasn't in the military, but like, you know, working with them.

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Yeah.

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So I always had a gym to work out at.

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Everything was like cool.

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I'm humming along doing my life, and then I hit my 40s, and now my hair starts falling out, and I'm getting like bone-tired.

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And I just thought I was like, I was, you know, doing the vegan diet.

00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:08.799
I thought like I was should be super healthy.

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And and it anyway, long story short, turned it I had heavy metal poisoning.

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And so in the process of finding a doctor to help me through that, I found this basically functional medicine doctor.

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She wasn't really trained in that, but that's what she was practicing, and she helped me through that.

00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:27.839
Um how do you get exposed to that kind of metal that would make you sick?

00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:29.440
Or mount, I should say.

00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.680
I don't I don't know if I want to claim every reason, but there are many reasons.

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And I'm an adventurous eater.

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I had lived all over the world by that point.

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Yeah, and I eat fish because it's supposed to be healthy for you.

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I miss the memo that it was full of mercury and all the other toxins.

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Yeah.

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Um, I mean, when I calculate how much tuna I was eating, even on the FDA's website, I was blowing way past that.

00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:57.519
I was just like, oh, okay, you're not, you know, like they had a little website, like how many cans of tuna you could safely eat in a week.

00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:05.359
And I was like, not only was I having that, but I was having Atlantic smoked salmon, which is like notorious for hormones, and then you know, living in the Middle East.

00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:10.160
Anyway, just what kind of what would you say is a safe fish ratio?

00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:13.039
Like how how much fish did you have a week, theoretically?

00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:14.079
Oh gosh, I don't know.

00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:20.160
I mean, I think as long as you make sure what you're having is safe, um, there's a great there's consumer labs I use.

00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:32.160
So like I always had thought sardines were safe, but apparently some of the cans of sardin, not the actual sardine, but the cans can um now put arsenic if they're not there's certain brands that are good, certain brands that are not.

00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:33.440
Same thing with tuna.

00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:41.279
There's a brand called Safe Catch, and they test every piece of tuna, so you know that there's you know safe levels of mercury because there's not none.

00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:41.680
Yeah.

00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:46.720
But you know, we can handle a little bit, you know, we're we're okay as long as again, you're as long as you're not doing it every day.

00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:51.440
So I probably have fish like I'd say no more than three times a week.

00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:55.759
Is there like particular places in the world that fish is a little bit more leery than others?

00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:57.440
Like you want to be a little bit more careful?

00:24:57.680 --> 00:24:58.160
I don't know.

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Like my assumption would be Japan would be like the best place in the world to have fish, but am I right?

00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:03.759
I don't I I think you could be wrong on that.

00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.839
Not because like I just don't think there's anywhere in the world, I don't think there's any ocean that's safe.

00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:14.720
I mean, think of these guys, like there's just so much shit in our oceans, and unfortunately ends in the fat of those fish.

00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:27.039
So that's why like these younger fish, you know, kippers, mackerel, yeah, um, sardines, all these fish that only live not even a year, they don't have enough time to accumulate that in their bodies.

00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:31.759
So, in your opinion, it's like I'm one of those people, and I know many more other people are like this too.

00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:34.160
It's like I will eat the same thing all the time, right?

00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:41.119
And like um theoretically, that makes it easy to disseminate like, okay, this is amount of nutrients and things like that I'm getting from that.

00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.119
But then also, like to your point, let's say you're overdoing it on fish, which is healthy.

00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:46.400
Which I was what I was doing.

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That's exactly what I was doing.

00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:51.119
I'm like locking in my diet, you know, I'm gonna have smoked salmon, then I'm gonna have tuna.

00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:52.880
Sure, you know, and I'm gonna be like so.

00:25:53.359 --> 00:26:00.079
So is variety a good way that we can then yeah, because you're I mean, think about it, it's like you're you're limiting your exposure.

00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.200
So you kind of want to be an omnivore in everything.

00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:08.640
Same thing, like you know, if you're eating beef every day, it's like, okay, but like where is the cow from?

00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:09.920
You know, where is it raised?

00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:11.599
How is it like is it healthy?

00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:20.880
And okay, so I I'm this firm believer that like our bodies, we can handle a little bit of, you know, I mean, Lord knows I've done some things to trash my body.

00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:22.079
So, and I'm okay.

00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:23.279
You know, I'm okay.

00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.799
So it's not this pristine little vessel or anything like that.

00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:34.000
But at the same time, if I can avoid it, because if I knowingly am going into something like this is not good for me, I'm not gonna do it.

00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.599
But if I don't know, I always feel like it's gonna be okay.

00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:38.000
Yeah.

00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:39.119
Like it's gonna be okay.

00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:48.079
If I go to the steakhouse and the steak hasn't, you know, it's not like grass fed and pasture raised, or maybe it was like only grass finished but fed on corn.

00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:50.640
I, you know, I don't I'm gonna be I'm gonna be okay.

00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:51.440
It'll be okay.

00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:53.279
That's always telling me like it'll be okay.

00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:57.599
So so theoretically, from a lot of fish, you ended up with heavy metal issues.

00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.279
Well, also some dental issues.

00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:07.759
And I had started school in as a ceramics major, and I thought that wearing like a mask when I mixed glazes was just a bunch of silliness, you know, we didn't need that.

00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:08.079
Yeah.

00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:12.799
So when all these weird metals showed up in my blood work, it was like, you know.

00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:22.720
You know, it's funny, like when I used to do like auto restoration stuff or we had powder coat systems, like because I knew about chemicals and stuff, it almost made me worse.

00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:27.200
Like at that where and then I would make my employees do it, but then I wouldn't do it myself.

00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:31.920
And I swear some of the stuff that goes on with me these days was just being stupid back then about that stuff, you know.

00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:32.640
So yeah, yeah.

00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:34.480
So I mean, I just my dad's kind of like that.

00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:42.400
He can be very cavalier about like, ah, that's just a bunch of yeah, you know, you're just being it's almost like when you know instead of mystery, you know, you're like more dangerous with it.

00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:43.359
Exactly.

00:27:43.599 --> 00:28:02.160
So um, so she done did it, but in the work that we did together, I learned that I had this MTHFR mutation and just means like it makes it harder for you to detoxify if you're not on methylated, you know, taking either a ton of greens and all kinds of methylated versions of the B vitamins, which help your body detoxify.

00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:02.559
Sure.

00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:04.960
So like um, so that was one of them.

00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:11.119
So I like one wasn't detoxifying as well, two, putting more toxins in than maybe the average person.

00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:14.400
So then everything kind of backed up and caused some problems.

00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.400
And um, excuse me.

00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:27.839
So I had um gone through the 12 rounds of chelation, and at that point she says, okay, I'm gonna, you know, we measure every week, you know, this chelation.

00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:32.240
And then she says, okay, look, listen, everything's in safe levels now.

00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:36.559
But you know, everything being like, I don't know, there was maybe like 10 different metals.

00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:49.440
And I'm I'm thinking, okay, well, isn't there a cumulative effect of having even though I've got like every you know, lead and mercury and tungsten in a safe level, yeah, is that like that's lead, like that's three different metals.

00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:50.880
So like how does that factor in?

00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:52.720
Yeah, how what's the reactionary?

00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:58.880
And so she just said you can't keep doing chaliation therapy, that's very, very hard on your body, it's very bad for you.

00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:04.240
Yeah, so um, so she said, you need like just find natural ways to detoxify.

00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:29.599
Like, and you know, she gave me like you know, obviously I'm gonna be on this type of vitamin, and you know, you're gonna take fiber and you're gonna be doing charcoal and you know, just every like so and she gave me a bunch of doctors to kind of read about and listen to and just kind of it caused me to really up my diet and look at what I was doing, what I was putting in, and to be a lot more careful about it, but also to choose things that were gonna help me stay healthy.

00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.480
And so I would go on these like protocols, you know.

00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:42.480
Like, I mean, at that point I I was doing the vegan thing when I saw her, and when I was in the middle of it, we were like measuring my blood work, and she was like, What is wrong?

00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.720
Like, you you should not be on this diet, like this diet is not working for you, and here's why.

00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.759
And she could show me, you know, like with my blood markers.

00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.839
Um, now I I'm not saying it's not right for everybody, but it was definitely not right for me.

00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:55.119
That's what I was gonna ask.

00:29:55.200 --> 00:30:05.440
It's like, so you've probably been through a couple diets, and like I would say lean in on this for you, but my assumption is like you have to find the right diet for you more than saying one diet's the right diet.

00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:06.240
Hundred percent.

00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:06.880
100%.

00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.279
Like these people that are doing like the full carnivore and they have like autoimmune issues.

00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:12.480
I totally get that.

00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:20.960
I could see how that would really help because there are a lot of things in plant matter that could exacerbate um inflammation in somebody with autoimmunity.

00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:30.160
I have some autoimmune issues right now, and I had to cut way back on like all my fibers and things like that, and you kind of have to like rebuild your gut.

00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.160
But that's an we can get into that.

00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:38.799
But you know, um, so I would go on what I call these triads, you know, it's like I'd hear somebody talk about, oh, this diet's so good for you, or that's good.

00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:40.240
You know, I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna try it.

00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.000
Like, I'll try it 21 days, whatever, you know, see if I feel any better.

00:30:44.079 --> 00:31:01.839
And like most of the time, like I didn't really feel anything major, nothing like when I did chelation therapy, which is not a diet and not sustainable, but there was, you know, some marked difference when I could tell I no longer had that level of toxic burden on my brain that I could, you know, my peripheral vision opened up.

00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:04.000
I was I was in a different place.

00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:17.519
So um I just start going through this, and now we've got like the internet is a thing because this is like this was like 10, not even 15 years ago, between 10 and 15 years ago.

00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.319
And um, like Rhonda Patrick, I I came out with her podcast somewhere in there.

00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:28.880
Like one of my doctors said you should listen to this gal, you'd love her, you know, and she's talking about sulfurophane and how it's detoxifying.

00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:35.759
And Joseph Mercola was um, I would listen to him or read his stuff every day, and he'd have different doctors on.

00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:39.599
So then I would go read their books, you know, and I would just like try different things.

00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:41.440
So this was going on and on and on, right?

00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:50.000
And eventually I find my way, I think Mercola had on Jason Fung, and he's talking about fasting and how it's super good for detoxification.

00:31:50.319 --> 00:32:01.839
So, you know, in the past, when I would do these kind of detox things, you'd buy all the supplements and you'd, you know, go on this like super like chop all the veggies and everything would be very regimented and it was a lot of work, you know.

00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:06.640
And he's talking about no, just drink water, your body will like do all the detoxification.

00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:12.079
And I was like, oh my god, that sounds so like simple, not easy, but simple, right?

00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:13.200
So I was like, done.

00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.039
I'm I'm in, I'm down, I'm down for this.

00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.880
So then I started following that, and then um I realized, okay, this is kind of hard.

00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.359
And I learn about the fasting mimicking diet.

00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.160
So the fasting mimicking diet, it Dr.

00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.720
Volter Longo, I think he's at sorry, Valter Longo, but I think he's at USC, I think.

00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:29.680
He's somewhere in California.

00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:33.440
He's Italian, but um and he discovered this.

00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.279
It was the first time when I heard his book talk about longevity.

00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:51.759
Yeah, now he's talking about a diet for longevity, and it was like it just all sort of like it was like you know, the sky opened up, and I was like, that's right, that's what we're doing this all for, so that we can like live healthier for longer.

00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:58.640
Like so you were trying to just feel decent in the day at first, and you're like, Yeah, I just wanted to like also make it like work for the long term.

00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:07.920
Yeah, I wanted to find the best diet for me, you know, and I knew I would find it because I would feel really good, and I knew I needed to keep like some sort of detox pathways open.

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:12.720
I needed to work at it more than the average person, given my chem my biochemistry, right?

00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:20.799
So yeah, so I'm doing that, and then I hear about, you know, um synolytics, which is about detoxing your zombie cells.

00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:26.319
You know, you have these senescent cells that kind of sort of refuse to leave the party for a better way of saying that.

00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.200
And then, you know, they then start causing a lot of problems.

00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:39.039
And so you need to do these either like a fasting mimicking diet, or you can also take some compounds that help your body clear out those senescent cells, autophagy.

00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:50.240
It's one thing I want you to weigh in on too is like, so you're um obviously you didn't go to college for a long, long time to like learn biochemistry and chemistry and things like that.

00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:54.319
Um, but one thing I find fascinating is you're known to know a lot about this stuff.

00:33:54.480 --> 00:34:01.440
And that's important to my bootstrappers because it's like you don't have to go to college to like be amazing and learned at something.

00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:01.759
Yeah.

00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.200
And like you're such a great example of like going out there, putting in the work.

00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.400
It's like I listened to one podcast and then that led me to this book.

00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.840
And then like I like uh had this one concept or idea.

00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:13.119
I went and explored that.

00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:18.480
So, folks, if you're like wanting to find out about something, it doesn't mean you always have to be formally educated in it.

00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.440
No, just go out there and like start nerding out on it.

00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.360
So I was laughing because I'm like the worst student.

00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:31.280
So I don't know, I've never said this publicly, but it took me nine years to get one bachelor's degree.

00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.119
I had I had I went to two different schools and I had four different majors.

00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:42.559
I just kept like, you know, I finally graduated with structural engineering, but like chemistry, I had to take college chemistry twice.

00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:51.199
It was the first time because I I'm uh I was that student that I would walk into class and not do my homework and I would still get an A on the test, you know.

00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.360
I was always pretty good at stuff, right?

00:34:54.000 --> 00:35:03.039
But I got into chemistry and it was the first time that, like, no matter how much I studied, like I just was like, How do you know there's that many electrons in that shell?

00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:04.960
Like, I don't understand this.

00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:06.079
Like, how do you know?

00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.119
And so, whereas like physics, like I was like, no problem.

00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:09.840
Like, you get it.

00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:14.320
If I tell you compression, tension, you can feel it in your body, you can kind of like understand it, you know.

00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.719
But like these chemical, whatever.

00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:18.400
So it was the first, so yeah.

00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:20.400
It's like learning another language, yeah, yeah.

00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.119
And the sad part is just like another language, you start to lose it.

00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:23.360
Yeah.

00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:30.480
I remember I used to look at the back of a shampoo bottle and I would mentally be able to build the imaging out, you know, or like I could draw it out.

00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:36.320
And then if I was if I was gonna mix my own supplements, and that's what's kind of interesting, is like supplement companies are like the Wild West.

00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:48.400
And I used to own a supplement company, but I would the easiest way for me was always to draw out the compounds and see if we were gonna have any sort of bone a bond reliance, and like, but nobody does that, right?

00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:57.199
And so, like, you could be mixing a bunch of BS together and they could be impacting each other and make it speaking of my my competitor, yeah.

00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.000
I mean, he's kind of just throwing the kitchen sink at it.

00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.119
I mean, I don't know, I don't know.

00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:01.440
I don't know.

00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:02.800
He has, I'm sure he's working with a doctor.

00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:04.320
You can't throw the kitchen sink at it.

00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:10.320
I mean, even like so, like the main sugar, and I'm gonna forget because I'm on the spot right now in almost every supplement.

00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:15.760
I'm building my own supplements these days, but the main sugar in every supplement is um help me here.

00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:17.119
Do you happen to recall?

00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.840
Uh manose or something like that?

00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:20.480
I don't know.

00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:22.400
It's uh sucralose.

00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:23.280
Oh, really?

00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.800
Sucralose is in everything these days.

00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.239
And sucralose basically is toxic when heated.

00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:31.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:32.000
So that I know.

00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:37.039
We're putting this like formant foreign sweetener in our bodies.

00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.320
Like, and if you look, it's like look at your supplements at home, folks.

00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:42.960
Every single one of them almost will have sucralose in it.

00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:44.800
I'd rather have sugar all day long.

00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.000
Uh give me real sugar all day long, but they don't do that, you know.

00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:49.679
So, anyways, I digress slightly.

00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:50.400
No, it's okay.

00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:50.719
That's okay.

00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:58.000
Yeah, no, I just had to laugh because I just I was playing pool and drinking beer and having a really good time, and then my dad said, you know, you really tick tock, you gotta you gotta get out.

00:36:58.079 --> 00:36:59.360
Yeah, like you gotta get going.

00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.400
So I'm I mean the sooner the better, too, right?

00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:04.639
You know, it's like and muscle has a memory too.

00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.840
So the sooner you start the fitness in the muscle and things like that.

00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:17.280
Well, so but if so, when it came to like when I knew I had this like interest in nutrition and health and all that, there was no way I was gonna go back to school.

00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:19.599
Like that was just not on the table for me.

00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:20.880
I am a horrible student.

00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:25.519
I am, I'm just I am an experiential learner all day, every day.

00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:36.559
So now I'm actually putting myself, I just started this whole from paper to plate, and I'm creating my my very own um basically degree in longevity science.

00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:42.079
And I'm gonna just gonna like it'll be my YouTube channel, my YouTube channel will be changed to this from paper to plate.

00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:54.639
And I'm gonna educate like myself and then teach, you know how it's like if you teach another person, because this is what I learned in having my my son was like when he would ask me questions, I would be like, you know, oh yeah, I need to like go over that.

00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:55.840
Let's let's go over that.

00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:04.880
And you know, so it was really like I I realized the power of teaching somebody else and how much it solidifies what you actually know.

00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:05.840
It's so true.

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.960
You know, people ask me all the time, they're like, you don't use your biochemistry degree.

00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:10.880
And I tell people I use it every single day.

00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:11.360
Yeah.

00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:13.840
And biochemistry is complex, right?

00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:19.199
And so I to understand it, I had to break it down so to simplicity so I can understand it.

00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:21.440
But once I can understand it, I can explain it to anybody.

00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.679
And I do the same thing with business fundamentals.

00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:25.199
That's what this podcast is actually about.

00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:31.119
Is like I like take these things and make them digestible so you can use them in your own life, right?

00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:31.920
And you're right.

00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:40.159
And the more I teach it, the more I see it, the more like I get more, not only like to understand it better myself, but mostly like how to explain it better to other people.

00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:45.280
It's like, oh, okay, that worked really well for helping people understand what debits and credits are, you know, whatever.

00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.440
So yeah, yeah, you learn what lands.

00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:47.840
Yes.

00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.840
Like, so yeah, so uh the I'll be learning that and hopefully trying to teach it.

00:38:52.000 --> 00:39:00.159
But look, I just wanted to look at like I guess with the like now with the AI and everything, it because I started reading some scientific research papers, right?

00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:01.679
I thought, well, I I want to know.

00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:12.159
I there was this whole thing about sulfurophane and these these um guys, I think there were Chinese factory workers or something like that, and they would drink this broccoli sprout sprout tea.

00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:16.639
And then it was a very effective detoxifier, as effective as like chalation therapy.

00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:18.800
And I'm like, come on, really interesting.

00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:21.280
I want I I want it, like I gotta go to this source.

00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:22.960
I don't, I don't trust this journalist.

00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:28.239
I don't like I want so that was the first time I started reading something, and I was like, I can actually understand this.

00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:34.719
Like, this isn't that hard as long as I can use AI to help me get through the chemical processes.

00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.760
So as long as it would say, okay, I could say, well, what are they saying here?

00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:38.639
What's the mechanism?

00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:42.239
Yes, because I understand systems, you know, and I understand how things work.

00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:48.079
Yeah, but I just don't understand like if he just says that process, I don't know.

00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:54.480
So, but AI, so with the help of AI, and then I also learned like there's just a beautiful language in these research papers.

00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.880
Like it's beautiful, like the the language of specificity, is I'm saying that right?

00:39:59.039 --> 00:39:59.599
Like this one word.

00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:00.639
rhythmicity.

00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.559
I was like, that is such a beautiful word.

00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:02.719
Yeah.

00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:03.760
Why don't we use that?

00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:04.719
Like that's so cool.

00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:15.039
Like there's just and so I'm enjoying it and then I just like, I need to like organize this and look at how, because this is what I'm I feel like I'm known for and what I've done with everything.

00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.039
It's like I've listened to all these doctors, right?

00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:18.880
I've read, I've podcasted all this.

00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:24.159
But really at the end of the day, like I could listen to Huberman for 20 plus hours.

00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:26.719
At the end of the day, like what does it mean in my kitchen?

00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:28.159
What does it mean in my life?

00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.079
And how am I going to apply it?

00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:37.039
How is the average single mom earning a hundred, you know, under a hundred thousand a year going to make this work in her life?

00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:37.440
Yeah.

00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:41.039
And that's and that's what I feel like I've been successful at.

00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:44.719
And so I want to be able to do the same thing with these research papers.

00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.599
Like, okay, we're going to read these, but like what does it mean in your kitchen?

00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:48.559
It's so true.

00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:51.199
Like how do you how can you actually utilize this in the practical?

00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.519
Like that's that's and that's a big part of what we do.

00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:55.679
We make like business systems complex too.

00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.800
It's like maybe people know they need an LLC.

00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:00.400
They've heard that before they don't know why.

00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.280
And we make it really hard to understand why you need it, right?

00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:04.400
And so oh my God.

00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:09.199
So it's things like that that I'm very impassioned about bringing that's what we do kind of here.

00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:12.079
But it's like to your point the same thing with biohacking or anything else.

00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:13.440
It's like it's all just practical.

00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:13.840
Yeah.

00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.199
It's like getting people understand a leap pocket is not the right way to go, you know?

00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:20.079
But you like nobody wants to boil it down to simplicity either.

00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.800
I don't know why that is you know we want to make it so complex.

00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:23.599
That's ego.

00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:24.960
You know that's totally ego.

00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:32.239
Like that's just I I just and I'm not I don't mean it like I say that from my own perspective of my own learning like trying to sound so fancy.

00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:47.920
You know it's like I'm not trying to sound you know like I just rewrote the intro actually to my whole thing because I was like trying to use a paper to use in the intro and then I realized like this is just I'm just trying to make myself look fancy and and and that's so when you're trying to make yourself found fancy you're this level.

00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:48.159
Yeah.

00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:53.440
And then when you're even trying to dumb it down you're usually this level and where you actually need to be is this level.

00:41:53.920 --> 00:42:09.360
Which says you really understand it though too I mean like if Einstein can explain the theory of relativity to like the average person, which he can, you know, so it's like I was going to bring him up yeah because like it's actually really relevant because he he just said he's like I'm no genius.

00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.639
He's like I'm just really fascinated interested in this one subject.

00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:18.000
You know and it's like I think that's and that's what you've done with this you know it's like you're so interested into it.

00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.119
You know I think anybody can be good at something they're interested in.

00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:21.599
Yes.

00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.599
So 100% 100% because you will figure you will figure it out.

00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:25.920
Yeah.

00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.719
That's it just like that's what we all want for our kids, right?

00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:36.239
Like we're raising them, you want them to like find that thing they're super into you know and that they're gonna just like chase no matter what.

00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.239
And I do think it takes time sometimes.

00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:42.559
I mean like for me I didn't find this until I got sick, you know, really so it's 40.

00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:44.079
And it's it's just like a business.

00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.960
A lot of the best businesses are built out of frustrations, right?

00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:48.880
It's like you're sick, you have no choice.

00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:51.519
That's a very good motivator for figuring this stuff out.

00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:57.760
And then when you start to add these little things like you read the book, you know, and they're like, okay, well I'm gonna try this thing and then it works.

00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:03.599
And you're like okay I need another book you know it's like I need that new podcast because this little thing worked how can I add the next little thing?

00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:03.920
Yeah.

00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.000
And those 20 things didn't work but that's okay.

00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.199
Like I got that one thing and that works and I'm gonna keep that moving forward.

00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:15.440
It's all an experiment and I I want to nerd out for a slight second, you know, and like hopefully not get too off track.

00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:17.760
But are you uh familiar with epigenetic theory?

00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:50.159
Oh yeah oh are you kidding that's like all we talk about and that's what the whole point of epigenetics is right like in so we're looking at in fact so the DNA methylation test that I'm looking at they're looking at like basically the methylation that's sitting on top of your DNA which is this your epigenetics really essentially so folks epigenetics you know broken down simply is like actually in fact your ancestor your ancestor's ancestor your ancestors' ancestors' ancestors what they ate and how they lived your life actually influenced their genetic code and in turn that's what they handed down.

00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:54.639
And so one thing I was looking at for a long time was diet in relation to epigenetics.

00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:06.400
So theoretically my theory was if your ancestors grew around grew up around wheat for thousands of generations then chances are you could digest wheat in your system because that was epigenetically handed down.

00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:08.320
Or sugar, same thing.

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:19.679
You know it's like so if we research our family heritage and we could get back far enough and we found out what those original diets are, very, very likely today those are foods that are going to be reacting really well with us.

00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:34.639
And I think theoretically that is the basis for any good diet and finding the right diet for you because our ancestors could have been from Africa they could have been like and then we have to also think to this there's a great book called Guns, germs and steel if you're love that book.

00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:34.880
Okay.

00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:35.119
Yeah.

00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:36.639
And that is like so cool.

00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:40.239
Folks it breaking that down really quickly and if you have a different take let me know.

00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:47.039
But it's like basically if civilization started in one area of the world Africa why is it the least sophisticated place on the planet?

00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:49.199
And it has to do with the spread of ideas.

00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:55.440
And really what I got out of the book is like the horse was the biggest introduction not only for war but transport of ideas, right?

00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.599
And it talks about languages and that sort of stuff too.

00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.800
But if you think back on that you can also think back to siloed populations.

00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:13.840
Siloed populations that only had access it's not like today where you can get popcorn anywhere in the world and you can get meat anywhere in the world you were subjected to what you had in abundance locally.

00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:22.320
And that could have been wheat that could have been sugar that could have been all these different things and then over time epigenetically you know that's what our bodies can possibly process.

00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:44.000
Yeah yeah so I want to add two things to that so for people to look more into the I guess the proof for that epigenetics is like was it the Danish hunger winter or whatever what is it the something where like I thought it was Sweden wasn't it was I don't where like the yeah for like they were super like starved and they can see that marker on the genetics of their ancestors.

00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:45.760
Exactly which is crazy.

00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.119
I mean that's just so cool.

00:45:47.440 --> 00:46:01.360
That had to do how uh starved their let's say great grandpa was had to do with how healthy they were exactly it was very interesting and you can see that too in any off-screen spring of people that were in the Auschwitz camps as well.

00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:02.719
There's still their markers there.

00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:08.079
Exactly depending on what trimester the baby was in when they were in lack of abundance of food.

00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:16.559
Yeah exactly lack of abundance well they didn't have enough I mean so but then also so I I feel the same way about like okay like I know I'm not really allergic to wheat.

00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:30.400
However the wheat in America is kind of frankenwheat I mean like the average like sitting on the shelf sure you know there's other varieties of wheat and but even in like Italy they're finding more and more people are becoming um celiac or gluten intolerant.

00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:30.800
Dr.

00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:51.119
Walter Longo talks about this too that even like and they don't have necessarily the frankenwheat we have so I don't know if just maybe we just have too much availability of it or like I don't think I mean going back to what we were saying earlier I don't think it's good for any one thing to be you know a lot of your diet yeah I I think that's what's hard.

00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:57.599
It makes it hard to lock in something but if you lock something in for four weeks and then change it, I think that that's doable.

00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:03.199
Well can you imagine if you're choosing the wrong thing and it's the abundance of your diet too you know like how disastrous that is yeah.

00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:10.400
Do you find that actually like so when I lived in Greece for instance, you know it's like I didn't like I wasn't overly healthy in Greece.

00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:15.360
You know I went down to the village every night and like had whatever I wanted on the menu always followed by dessert.

00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:26.400
My best friend yeah my best friend like I don't drink but you know like my my best friend became the bakery owner up the street which I stopped 11 o'clock every day and got this big box of donuts and stuff.

00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:38.239
And then that was like you know like my snack and then like I was working out yes and like but not as hard as I usually do and once a day you know and then but walking around Athens too there's like hills and stuff like that.

00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:44.079
But everybody would tease me about looking like the statues over there because I was in such incredible shape at the same time.

00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:53.280
You know it's like what do you feel about like foods throughout the world when people say like hey you know I go to Italy and I have whatever I want and I don't come back what do you feel about that?

00:47:53.519 --> 00:48:00.960
I don't I I have a tough time with that one because here's I mean having lived in Europe and my sister still lives in Europe I go all the time.

00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:02.639
They have their share of junk food.

00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:08.000
Do not I mean like you know full on junk food you could totally just my best friend.

00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:33.760
Yeah yeah you could be a junk food addict there just as much I think what happens is when people are relaxed yeah they're not they're not snacking they don't have snacks all around I think if if you just eliminate snacks out of your life you'll probably do pretty well but then also they're usually walking a hell of a lot more totally and they're in the sunshine and their cortisol is like lowered you know just there's just so many things happening when you're quote unquote on vacation.

00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:43.440
I mean tell me now you go and you live there for a year under the regular stressors and you don't have any problems then I might be like okay it's true.

00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:48.320
I mean I'm I'm not gonna say like like I know German standards like their food standards are here.

00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.519
You know so okay yes the food is way cleaner.

00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.920
I will fully acknowledge that but eating too much is still eating too much.

00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:58.880
And I just don't think people eat that much when they're on vacation.

00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.840
Well even to your point too it's like the Greek coffee is like this big and they make it last like three hours.

00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:04.079
Yeah.

00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:48.639
Which means they're just sitting there having a wonderful conversation they're being heart to heart with somebody lowering cortisol levels and like I want to really get to um uh so you you started to like learn this stuff biooptimized yeah like talk to me about like the contest right it's like how can you involve yeah so we just left off there so I I you know I'm heard about this whole longevity idea then I'm like okay yeah that makes sense so now I start like obsessing over books on longevity podcasts on longevity where whatever I could find yeah and um I eventually find my way to learning about synolytics and so this compounds and I was like I want to try these you know this is going to be talk to me about synolytics.

00:49:48.960 --> 00:50:08.000
So again these are the detoxing the zombie cells that they help your body um among other things like one of them is a compound called and I'm gonna say it wrong I'm sure physetin or physetin I don't know how you pronounce it okay it's found in strawberries and like small amounts but if you want it in like therapeutic levels you really do have to supplement with it.

00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:08.239
Okay.

00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.400
So I was like okay I wanna I want to do that.

00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:20.000
So I'm researching that boom this company comes up it's called Novos and they have this um drink you know that's got synolytics in there and it's supposed to be really good for longevity.

00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:33.039
And then oh by the way it had vitamin C in there had magnesium malate had um calcium alpha ketoglutarate that I was already reading about there's glycine there's a few other things I didn't really I wasn't up on but you know and I'm not trying to sound like an ad.

00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.079
I'm not I don't I'm not sponsored by them or anything like that.

00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.679
So I'm like I'm gonna try this this sounds great.

00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:54.000
It makes it easy and then when I like figured out the cost um I was like boom I can like get rid of my other magnesium supplement I'm taking I can just take this it'd be one drink you know so when I go to order it they said hey do you you know we're we're gonna do a study.

00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:55.360
Do you want to be part of a study?

00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:04.480
And I was like sure and so you know they said you just need to pay for the tests and then we'll give you product we're we're gonna just do it for six months.

00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:12.639
So they sent me a test and it was a test by true diagnostic that I had already wanted to take anyway I was already kind of like budgeting and saving to take that test.

00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:14.880
And so then they're giving it to me at like their cost.

00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:22.800
So I was like well this is a no-brainer like I'm gonna you know I was already gonna shell out this kind of money I'm already saving money anyway it just all worked out for my budget.

00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:35.679
I'm very budget conscious so I'm a single mop so I got like you gotta like you know anyway so um I go to take the tests before the product you know before I start the product and um and they wouldn't give me my results.

00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:37.760
They said no we don't want you to what was the test?

00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:45.599
It's so it's called it's the do need in pace of aging and they they also give you a biological age but that's a little less that's science pace of aging.

00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:46.320
Pace of aging.

00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:54.719
Meaning how quickly from this day forth so like if people think of it like this like if you have that you know you know somebody in your life that smokes or we have twin studies, right?

00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.599
Where somebody's smoking and somebody's not that person who smokes we they're gonna age much faster.

00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.840
So we can speed up our aging but just as much we can slow down our pace of aging.

00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:08.400
Is this something that insurance companies are kind of using to gauge who's like I don't think so.

00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:23.519
But it is the same so the test that they use for this to they get your pace of aging but also for your bioage it's something like if I had amnesia in the hospital and I was a Jane Doe, they would use this test to establish about how old I was interesting.

00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:29.199
So it's interesting though because like it would tell me I'm like 30 something and I'm like I'm not 30 something.

00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.760
So you know what I mean so it's it's very interesting.

00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.480
So the first time you took the test did it say you were 30?

00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:40.079
No at the first test I came back with a pace of aging of 0.76 which is good.

00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:43.840
Like you want anything below one because everything over one means you're faster.

00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.800
One is so I'm 57 right now.

00:52:47.119 --> 00:53:01.280
No I mean in this test in the test I think I was like I mean in real life chronological or by chronological so that it was I'm only used to dealing with one age so I know chronologically I'm trying to think this was probably 2021.

00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:09.440
Uh-huh 2020 or 2021 when I started yeah so we are what 2025 so four so 53 I was 53.

00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:12.480
You were 53 yeah and your pace of aging was 0.76.

00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:13.280
0.76.

00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:15.039
So you were aging less than a year.

00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:21.360
So less than your so all the stuff I was doing you know being healthy working out like that was all like working in my favor.

00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:26.320
Yeah you know but again I didn't know that they didn't tell me they just said now take the product for six months.

00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:26.639
Yeah.

00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:36.480
Well I go into like six months of probably one of the most stressful times of my life like more than anything I had ever been through.

00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:51.679
Like life stress was coming life stress where you know you're up all night yeah make sure my family member was okay you know just it was absolutely it was very very very very very stressful.

00:53:51.920 --> 00:54:01.920
And so I remember they emailed me and said hey it's time to take your next test and I I remember I took the I took their product the whole time because I remember thinking well I'm not gonna let this company down.

00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:11.360
You know like I would skip eating and like you know I mean I was just in that stress zone where you're just like anywhere so you're not doing probably everything you should not at all.

00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:24.639
You're taking no working out I mean I was kind of working out here and there I was kind of like you know I mean luckily I had a lot of these things in place you know so I just said listen I'm sorry I I don't think the results are going to be good and they're like well that's okay you know like this is real world results that's all we want.

00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:33.840
I'm like okay well I'll let me just come I would I was I got to a point where like now okay we were in a place where things were clearly going to get better.

00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:44.320
So I came home and I was like I need to just one week let me de stress and then I'll take the test you know so I take it and lo and behold my pace of aging went down to 0.68.

00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:49.360
Wow so that and so anything over three percent is statistically significant.

00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:55.679
So eight percent I dropped and I like I say like the only thing I was doing consistently was that supplement.

00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:57.760
So I was like okay these compounds like work.

00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:02.800
Whether you want to take that company's compounds or not I don't care but like there's something in there that works.

00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:10.559
What what do would you say so it's slowing down your pace of aging and some of us would say okay great but what do I feel like were you feeling any better from it too?

00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:18.239
Yeah so I well again it was hard to say because I was very stressed but I did notice like my skin just started like glowing.

00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:25.360
Like it just was like I mean everywhere I go people are like whoa I mean I don't have the glow as much as but at that point it was like crazy.

00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:25.679
Yeah.

00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:31.440
And so then like I said I came home and they said well we're gonna do this we're gonna extend the study another six months if you are up for it.

00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:45.440
And I was like yeah hell yeah because like now I like join the gym I'm working out I So life's problems have calmed down just a little bit yeah I'm getting myself together like everything is kind of like so then I like had read about like Dr.

00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.159
Sarah Godfrey was saying like eat a pound of vegetables a day.

00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:53.280
So I go on a triad and I was like lo and behold like this isn't hard at all you know like not at all.

00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:59.199
And then I had been on this other triad where you have like a ton of greens every day and it was good for menopause.

00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:09.519
And sure enough it was like boom lost seven pounds and in menopause that's like unheard of yeah so um I knew I needed greens I was like okay this is how I'm gonna design my next six months.

00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:16.719
I'm gonna have you know eight ounces or four ounces of greens and four ounces of vegetables so or no sorry eight ounces of greens and eight ounces of vegetables.

00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:30.239
So I have a pound of vegetables a day right like not potatoes that doesn't count but you know above ground veggies right so and then I'm gonna yeah and then I'm gonna make sure I have a minimum of a hundred grams of protein and that those are my only two rules.

00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:38.639
I was like I'm not gonna worry about the beach body I'm not gonna worry about like anything I'm not gonna worry about losing weight I'm just gonna like get myself healthy.

00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:50.239
And like lo and behold like I start feeling like a million bucks you know like I just am like this is amazing and so then we get my next pace of aging and now it goes down to 0.65.

00:56:50.639 --> 00:57:01.840
Now again this is all going on I have no idea what the significance of any of this is like the guy at Novus is like no you don't understand like people don't get up and do a VO2 max workout.

00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:07.840
Like you you are killing it and I was like okay like I'm just I'm doing my thing you know like I'm gonna do this.

00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:14.400
And um so he said you know do you can you do you mind being a part of this rejuvenation Olympics?

00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:43.760
You know we're gonna put a bunch of people in the study and the rejuvenation I'm like yeah sure okay you know I'll go in there and um upload my results and this and that and then it turns out like I'm like second place and in fourth place is this guy Brian Johnson and I'm like I don't okay you know and they're like do you know and I was like no I don't know who he is but I'm when they first started this rejuvenation on X, you had like the person, you had their initial pace of aging, their current pace of aging and then their average pace of aging and their age and their protocol.

00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:44.159
Yeah.

00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:55.679
So and they were ranking for your age because it's very well known and you can see this like in elderly people or young people when you're very old or very young your pace of aging accelerates.

00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:00.639
So the older you get the harder it is to slow down your pace of aging.

00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:01.039
Right.

00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:05.599
So if you're 80 like you know like it's does that mean you want to start as soon as possible?

00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:06.000
Yes.

00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:06.239
Okay.

00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:07.599
You want to start as soon as possible.

00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:13.920
So but if you're 30 you can easily slow down your pace of many people at like 0.46 you know like that's in their in 30s.

00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.519
I'm like yeah okay but is the default also to feeling better?

00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:21.119
I know I keep hitting that but it's like oh you will feel like a million bucks.

00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:24.559
I mean I don't want to say like a million but like everything is clear.

00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:26.000
I never get tired.

00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:36.000
I never like so is it a good enough measure to be like if you can get this decent measure in pace of aging chances are you put everything else in alignment you're gonna feel good too.

00:58:36.079 --> 00:59:00.639
You're gonna be you know healthy fit you know that and like that could be the indicator you know and so I the to tell you if you're doing a good job with all the other stuff that will actually have all these positive yeah in fact yeah I mean there's like there the the guys that are you know the kind of the biohackers that are they're doing these tests all the time they'll do one after vacation oh yeah my pace of aging like sped up you know or like that kind of you can see that stuff I just I mean these tests are like 500 bucks a piece so I'm not gonna do one more than once a year.

00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:27.199
So um there's so much here you know it's like I'm it comes to mind George Burns you remember that guy yeah used to smoke the cigar you know my God yeah totally so theoretically was that guy like so there's no way he did drank the big whiskey every day ate the bad food you know all these different things so if he had like slowed down his pace of aging would he have lived to 400 you think or was there like a method to the madness to that like experiment on the opposite side that was keeping him alive.

00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:38.800
I mean there's something about like 120 I forgot what the hay flick limit and they think that we can't live past 120 but then there's this whole longevity escape velocity that like we're gonna figure out treatments.

00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:47.519
So you just need to like extend your life that one year and then that one year and that one year and then eventually you'll you know it'll be this interesting escape velocity.

00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:51.039
I you know we're not there yet like we can't even do it in mice so much less us.

00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:56.559
Brian Johnson would like to live forever, isn't that kind of that's his thing yeah don't die I think I mean again I don't know him.

00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:59.599
I've never spoken with him and I um no even like

01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:03.679
In the beginning of the show, I talked about his son that he gets blood donations from.

01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:04.960
I think he's pretty open about that.

01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:05.840
I don't think it's pitching.

01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:07.280
No, it's on his documentary.

01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:07.519
Yeah.

01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:08.400
And he explains it.

01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:10.000
I mean, at first you're sort of like, what?

01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:16.000
But when you understand that therapy, you don't want to just go get, you know, stem cells.

01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:21.760
And it g there's a very clear mouse study where they've done this and it's, you know, it's very powerful.

01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:25.679
Like, I mean, if my son said he would do that for me, I would, but I would never ask him.

01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:25.840
Yeah.

01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:27.599
Like that's just way too big of an ask.

01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.960
How much do you know recall how much he's spending a month on like this stuff?

01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:33.760
I know at one point he was spending like two million a year.

01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:35.519
Like when we were competing, yeah.

01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:38.320
I'm going at like$100,$150 a month.

01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:44.079
If you count my veggies, like if you only counting my supplements for longevity, I spend less than$100 a month.

01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:45.760
And that includes my gym membership.

01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.119
And he's is he's spending a couple, I think he's worth$400 million, folks.

01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:50.159
So he's something like that.

01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.280
He's he's got a lot of money and he wants to live uh a long time.

01:00:53.360 --> 01:01:03.360
And so he's got the I always think when I think of him, I think of like remember the Rocky movie when the Russians all uh like geared up with all the things and they're making him the ultimate weapon, you know, or whatever.

01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:05.199
So like I think of that with Brian Johnson.

01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:09.519
He's like, I'm sure he's got an incredible team of doctors that they're constantly discussing things.

01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:13.760
He's probably constantly getting tested, you know, he's probably constantly trying the newest stuff.

01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.760
You know, we all know it's like even you know, it's like if you can afford the stuff, it is an edge, you know.

01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:23.760
It's like, and that's what I found incredible about your story in like an underdog scenario.

01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:34.480
And like the story's weaving out even better than I thought because it gives a great example of so many different things that I think are important to other underdogs is like focusing on the thing you're so interested in, right?

01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:37.199
Podcasts are free, books are not much money, you know.

01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:43.280
It's like, and you've become so hyper focused on it, you've gotten to the point where you know it enough, right?

01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:48.719
That you can spend a hundred dollars and somebody else is spending millions and you're still competitive, you know?

01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:52.480
And like if not a couple different times, doing a little bit better, I think.

01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:55.280
So at that point, I was doing much better than him.

01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:55.760
Yeah.

01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.440
Um, now he's gone on to slow his pace of aging even further.

01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.719
But he's doing more, you know, stem cell treatments, like sure.

01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:08.960
I mean, he's doing all kinds of stuff that I wouldn't, I wouldn't even if I had the money, I probably wouldn't get into, you know, some genetic stuff.

01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:10.960
Yeah, I wouldn't get into that stuff.

01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:19.119
But um, but I'm also in the do-dye camp, as I say, you know, like I don't really want to I don't want power over aging, I just want power in how I age.

01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:23.119
And I want to make sure my health span matches my lifespan.

01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:29.039
I'm watching my parents age, my dad's struggling with dementia and different heart issues and you know, this and that.

01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:34.800
And then my mom has got Parkinson's, and it's just like it's just so, so sad to watch.

01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:42.400
And I just, you know, every day that I think I'm not gonna go to the gym, I'm like, if you want to avoid Parkinson's, you better get your little happy ass over there and and work out.

01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:43.280
Talk about that.

01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.920
Why is working out helping people avoid Parkinson's?

01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:53.360
Uh, I there's something to do with the muscles, building muscle, BDNF, um, also like just learning new things.

01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:58.239
Like you just really want to be uh creating a healthier, better brain.

01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:03.679
So that's that dopamine system, which I think has a lot to do with and I don't know, I'm still figuring that all out.

01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:33.199
Actually, I read an article the other day, and this guy was talking about how like um instead of like so, on one hand, hyperfocusing towards something you're interested in is an incredible way to get really good at it, like you're talking and be like a world leader in that thing, amazing at the business thing or whatever, but you also don't want to overview or uh not be looking into and have diverse interests, especially as you age, because that will fire different neural pathways in your brain.

01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:33.519
Yes.

01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:35.519
I'm uh even seeing amazing sites.

01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:39.519
I was reading, like is a different way that you're firing different synopsis in your brain.

01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:50.559
So where learning one subject over and over again, hyperfocused, is using a certain amount, but incredibly well to your direction of like accomplishing things, but then eventually you want to get to the point of diversity too.

01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:57.840
So you're firing different sections of your brain, and theoretically, that's what this guy was saying was helping him like put off some of those effects of aging.

01:03:58.000 --> 01:03:58.159
Yeah.

01:03:58.320 --> 01:03:59.039
So yeah, yeah.

01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:00.400
I mean, I find like I get like that.

01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.519
I hyper focus, and then it's like all of a sudden like, okay, now I need to read a fiction book.

01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:12.800
I need, I need, like, I just need and I need to listen to music, I need to turn off the podcast, like I need, you know, and I know it, I can feel it usually in my in my brain, actually.

01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:15.039
Music is such an interesting thing.

01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:25.280
And like uh we had uh Barry Goldstein was around recently and he's uh Emmy Award winner, and he like really focuses on the medicinal standpoint of the um music.

01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:30.239
He's tied to Joe Dispenza, I think he does like a lot of his musical stuff.

01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:35.599
And he says a lot about like dieting music the same way you diet anything else, you know, and using music, you know.

01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:39.440
It's like, and I've started to do this in my own life, give your life a soundtrack, right?

01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:44.800
When you wake up in the morning, do something upbeat, you know, when you're going to bed at night, do something a little bit calmer, you know.

01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:50.239
It's like, and they've proven over and over again, like the have you seen the water studies, for instance, on music?

01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:53.119
I'm gonna ruin them, folks, so please don't kill me here.

01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:58.079
But you know, it's like they'll basically subject water and then freeze it to different types of music.

01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:10.000
And if it's the like disorganized, like crazy like rap music or heavy metal or that sort of stuff, the water will look disorganized actually, and like very um uh like I guess organized the best way I can put it.

01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:15.840
And then the classical like music will actually, when frozen, it's this beautiful, like organized spectrum.

01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:18.719
Wilds, where's so much water, right?

01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:21.440
You know, and so like think about the physical aspects of that.

01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:28.880
I think there's a time and a place for the hardcore heavy music gets you through the gym workout, but then maybe there's a time and a place for And there's studies on that.

01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:34.079
There's studies on that, that that actually does help you reach your goals a little more, the hardcore music.

01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:40.079
And then there's, and this is not I need I haven't looked into it because it's just one of those Instagram things, you know, but like that.

01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:42.239
Um chill out, no, is it chill out?

01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:47.440
No, um house music is good for slowing your pace of aging, apparently.

01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.639
There's some tie between now again.

01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:52.719
I have not read the studies.

01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:55.840
So we're gonna start seeing Brian Johnson at all the EDM concerts.

01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:56.800
I think he's kind of in it.

01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:59.280
Well, he he and um Steve Aoki.

01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:00.159
Oh, yeah.

01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:00.719
Yeah, yeah.

01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:04.480
I think they're buddies, but I don't I don't know because Steve started following me on Instagram.

01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:05.519
So I was like, oh, I don't know.

01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:06.000
That's awesome.

01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:07.519
I know.

01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:10.159
I was like, it's I was like, whoa, okay.

01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:14.400
What so a lot of people are probably asking after you about like the secret, right?

01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:16.719
And you're on secrets and stuff these days.

01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:24.480
So what okay, give me first one thing you'll do, like as the general person out there in the world, what's one thing they can do at first?

01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:26.559
Like, what's the most impactful first step?

01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:28.719
I think if they're not moving, you gotta move.

01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:38.719
Okay, you gotta like get 10 minutes and if like go for a walk, or if you're a single mom like I was, and I couldn't leave the house, like I was not the one like I could put my bed kid to bed and go walk, like and leave him there alone.

01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:40.800
I'm like, there's that is not gonna happen.

01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:54.320
But you could do squat air squats, like there's actually a lot of research on like one minute of air squats, like three times a day, can be as effective as like a 30-minute walk, or even more so than that, like especially on the impact on your blood sugar.

01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:58.559
So, like there are very small things that are very impactful.

01:06:58.639 --> 01:06:59.440
That's that's one of them.

01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:02.159
I just movement movement, I think, is like critical.

01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:08.800
But I'm also about this whole like open the door and make it so easy that you can't not do it.

01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:17.760
Like, you know, make it so like if when you're done with those 10 minutes, you feel like you want to do more, but don't let yourself like you know, and then just build every month, okay.

01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:19.920
Now I'm gonna add 10 more minutes, and now I'm gonna add 10 more.

01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:25.599
Like, and if you're not eating any vegetables, like start with one vegetable, like just go get a carrot and make sure you eat a carrot every day.

01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:31.760
And then next week maybe it's a piece of celery, and then like four weeks, like you're gonna do two pieces of vegetables or you know, something like that.

01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:39.760
It's I I love that, and I'm gonna use that as an open door to like weigh in on my thoughts on like getting involved with the gym and personal trainers.

01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.199
Please don't get a personal trainer that's gonna kick your ass the first day.

01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:45.920
Oh my god, like I that frustrates me so much.

01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:47.360
It makes no sense whatsoever.

01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:51.199
You feel you feel accomplished, but then like a week later, you're not gonna go back.

01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:59.280
Yeah, you're gonna be like, you don't have time to be that sore, and it's just like, and I think this is our thinking, at least my thinking had to shift.

01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:11.599
I always, you know, being a young woman raised on this the in LA on the beach, you know, is always like, okay, beach body, you know, we got eight weeks, we're gonna like be on this crazy hardcore diet, you know, blah, blah, blah.

01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:11.840
Yep.

01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:17.680
And to like shift my thinking from that to I'm gonna eat this way the rest of my life.

01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.640
I'm gonna exercise like this the rest of my life.

01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:22.960
So I got time to figure this out.

01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:23.279
Yeah.

01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:26.640
As long as I'm doing it, you know, as long as I show up.

01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:34.000
And like, like I can always tell people like they come to the gym, you can tell they're kind of nervous, and you know, I always just smile at them and just think, you're here.

01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:35.279
Good for you.

01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:36.000
You are here.

01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:36.800
Like that's all.

01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:41.760
And like, and in fact, like I'll tell everybody like in the winter, my bed is so cozy.

01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:45.520
Yeah, I don't want to get up at 4 30 and go anywhere.

01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:46.960
So I just psych myself up.

01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:47.840
I'm like, you know what?

01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:50.640
All you have to do, darling, is go sit in the sauna.

01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:52.560
Sauna is a cardiovascular workout.

01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:53.279
That's all you have to do.

01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:58.399
And then, of course, I walk in the door and I'm like, Well, I might as well lift a few weights, you know.

01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:01.680
I mean, it just My best workouts come from the days I don't want to go.

01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:02.000
Yes.

01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:05.119
And I call it just like I tell myself, Tyler, just go have a stretch.

01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:11.119
And my way of having a stretch is like I will do the same stuff, maybe on machine weights instead, very low weight.

01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:17.439
Yeah, and then the next thing I know, it's like I'm getting everything going a little bit, and then like that stretch becomes one of the best workouts I've had, you know.

01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.239
It's like so I think most of life is just showing up.

01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:20.880
Yeah, right.

01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:22.399
I mean, we have to listen to our bodies.

01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:24.880
I'm not, you know, up for like, oh no, just push past it.

01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:25.600
Like, we don't need to.

01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:26.880
I'm not training for war here.

01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:28.479
Like, I'm just training for the rest of my life.

01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:31.119
Like, you know, I'm training to be an old lady.

01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:32.479
Like, that's really what I'm training for.

01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:36.239
In fact, I that's what I told the gym guy when I went to sign up for EOS, you know.

01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:37.359
He's like, Well, what are you training for?

01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:39.119
And you wanted to like hook me up with like a trainer.

01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:40.800
I was like, Oh, I'm training for old age.

01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:41.439
And he laughed.

01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.079
And I was like, I'm not, I'm not joking, I'm training for old age.

01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:46.720
I wish he was like, you know.

01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:53.520
And so I just think you have to put it, you if you put it on the longer scale, it's easier to go, okay, I'm gonna do this 10 minutes until I can do it.

01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:55.439
Like, so I'm working on stretching every day.

01:09:55.520 --> 01:10:06.000
Yeah, I am horrible at like getting that done, but it really solves all my back issues, every like any tension I have, if I would just stretch, and I've learned like some other good things about it.

01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:08.640
So now I'm like, okay, I just gotta make the windows.

01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:11.680
I was not doing it, not doing it because I was making it too complicated.

01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:11.920
Yeah.

01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:14.800
So then I turned it into like brush my teeth, one stretch.

01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:16.159
Now I'm successful at it.

01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:29.520
And then that one stretch will turn into two, and that, you know, but I'm gonna build it out over a year, not like I'm just gonna boom, I'm gonna make myself do this, and you know, like that's just another side of that same coin of not being good to yourself.

01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:34.319
People don't realize, like, I tell people all the time, it's like this is the worst you're gonna ever feel.

01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:38.399
Like if you have no exercise, no diet in your life, this is the worst you're ever gonna feel.

01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:40.560
Like you can feel better starting tomorrow.

01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:51.920
Like that, like if they really realize like how good they can feel, and like living in Greece, like I talked about, you know, it's like I went on a cruise one time and like I'm watching all these older people that have and it's so sad to me.

01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:59.520
They're the nine to five workers, the backbone of society of American economy that have just like that have done the right thing their whole life.

01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:07.920
And now they're retired and they're in Greece and they're seeing these amazing sights of the world and they can't even walk a mile to see it, you know, and it's just so sad to me.

01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:12.800
And that's why like the sooner you start this stuff, it's like lifting weights improves bone density.

01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:20.319
Like there's a muscle, like uh remembrance to muscle in your body, you know, it's like your body remembers how to build muscle if it's done it before, you know.

01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:23.279
It's like there's so many reasons to start early and it's moving.

01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:24.640
So good for your brain.

01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:30.640
Like, I mean, I've watched my son just go from, you know, I mean, get your kids involved in it.

01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:32.159
Like, I I'm so grateful.

01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:35.039
He was never really interested in sports, but I'm so grateful.

01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:38.720
I took him to the gym because my dad had done that with me when I was younger.

01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:44.560
He had us just we had to go to the gym, and I he's like, You could do an aerobus class, you could do whatever, but I want you to go to the gym.

01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:44.800
Yeah.

01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:46.720
And he just wanted us to be comfortable.

01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:48.319
And I did the same with my son.

01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:50.960
He never wanted to play sports or anything like that.

01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:52.319
And I thought, okay, that's fine.

01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:56.000
Like all my brothers were like triathletes and you know, like they weren't like team players.

01:11:56.159 --> 01:11:58.159
I'm like, okay, you know, he'll learn it somewhere.

01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:02.239
But and going to the gym, and I got him a trainer, and he never he didn't stick with it.

01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:05.760
I mean, he was like, I don't know, 10, 11, 12, but he didn't really care.

01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:14.720
I was just like, I just want him to, when he comes back to the gym when he's 14, 15, 16, it's not an unfamiliar place, you know, that he understands what it feels like to be in there.

01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:15.039
Yep.

01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:16.399
He doesn't feel scared.

01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:18.960
It's not, and I just I wish like all kids.

01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:23.840
And so then when he, sure enough, you know, he turns, I don't know, 16, 17.

01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:27.439
Now he kind of wants to start getting jacked, you know, and he starts going to the gym.

01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:29.840
It like erased depression.

01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:36.560
Like he, you know, no off all medications, like just it's amazing how good weightlifting is for your brain.

01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:38.960
And people were just only beginning to discover that.

01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:42.159
And I I don't know enough about it to to talk about it intelligently.

01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:43.119
But um, like Dr.

01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:46.640
Rhonda Patrick, there's um oh gosh, what's her name?

01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:48.399
I can see her, she's super beautiful.

01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:52.239
Um I'll figure out her name and you can put her in the show notes.

01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:59.760
Um anyway, more and more people are talking about this, you know, and just how important it is that muscle is for your brain.

01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.079
I mean, in every way, muscle is super efficient if you build it, right?

01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:08.800
And uh, and then you get to the point where you've done it enough years, you don't even do it for the look.

01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:14.239
You know, you start out like wanting to be the jacked kid or whatever, yeah, and then you realize like I do this for my mind, you know.

01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:15.279
It's like for sure.

01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:17.600
It it's an incredible life-changing thing.

01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:28.960
And that's why, like, not only did you have a tremendous amount of uh uh tremendous underdog story, you know, competing against somebody that like you spends two million dollars a year when you're spending twelve hundred bucks a year.

01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:29.680
And winning.

01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.319
We didn't get to that part, but I was second place and he was fourth.

01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:36.560
But now, like I said, it's all changed and he changed the rules and everything at all weird, but whatever.

01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:37.600
You know, it's I don't care.

01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:41.920
I mean, and then like hyper focusing on something you're interested in and becoming really good at it, you know.

01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:50.640
It's like so many good pieces of um advice today, you know, and not only that, but like the biohacking, you know, information that we kind of went through itself.

01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:53.359
And so like that's what I really wanted people to get out of this episode.

01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:56.000
Oh, I want to leave uh three people with three things.

01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:56.800
This is how I look at things.

01:13:57.119 --> 01:14:04.560
So, first of all, I mean, this isn't really part of it, but it's you know, always focus on what you have, but you know, figure out like what your um intention is.

01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:08.640
Like, what do you want to do with whatever it is, you know, whether it's make a million dollars, whatever.

01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:14.560
Like for me, I had to look at like, well, I don't want to live forever, but I want to live super well, like while I'm here, right?

01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:15.039
Yep.

01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:15.600
Why?

01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:16.079
Why?

01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:22.800
Well, like at the when I started this, my son was very young, and you know, I was his I am his plan and his backup plan.

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Like, you know, like I gotta be here for him.

01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:32.560
My brother, unfortunately, was killed very tragically, and I knew like overnight this whole thing could be over, and then he'd be left here alone.

01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:32.880
Wow.

01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:35.439
And I remember thinking, I've got to take care of myself.

01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:37.920
Like, you know, I want to be here for him and raise him.

01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:40.399
So, like, I that was my initial why.

01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:50.319
Then as he's gotten older, it's still like I want to witness his life and be there for him if I can, but then seeing my parents and what they're going through, and I'm like, I will avoid that at all costs.

01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:51.439
So that's my why.

01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:53.760
And then I sit down and figure out my resources.

01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:55.439
I'm like, okay, this is my budget.

01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:56.560
I don't have$2 million.

01:14:57.039 --> 01:15:00.880
I have, you know, hundred, couple hundred bucks I can spend on this every month.

01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:02.640
What can I do from that perspective?

01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:09.920
And oh, by the way, I work from home, so I got a lot more time, you know, like I these are my or and or like you could put in that bucket of resources.

01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:12.399
Oh, I know somebody who's a, you know what I mean?

01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:15.439
Like what who your friends are in your in your world.

01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:32.560
And so you just, if you frame everything from the from that perspective, when you open up the world of biohacking or whatever it is, that when all that information comes at you, and it's gonna be so I mean so much information about any one topic these days, and you won't know how to sort it, you know.

01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:38.800
It's just like if you can just keep those things in mind, you can like, oh, okay, that that treatment costs like two million dollars.

01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:41.840
Okay, well, that's just not in that's not on my board right now.

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I don't even need to think about this, but I can afford this supplement and let's see if that works, you know?

01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:58.079
And then you just it it just it clears up all the mental space, and that's the part like same thing with aging, like we want to decrease our stress, you know, really like that's a very important part of it.

01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:04.399
And so for me, that decreases stress to like put everything through that filter and just always look at what can I do?

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What are my resources, you know, and why am I gonna do it?

01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:09.520
You know, what do I really intend here?

01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:10.880
And that's yeah.

01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:14.560
That's actually a beautiful message for anything in life, business too.

01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:19.199
It's like too many people are like, Oh, I don't have X, so I can't start Y business.

01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:25.039
You know, it's like the average business start cost is six thousand dollars now, and people will think it would sit around and wait for an investor.

01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:26.640
I've started businesses on nothing.

01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:29.199
Yeah, I was a graphic designer and actually so same thing.

01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:32.239
Like I wanted to be a graphic designer, I had a bunch of friends.

01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:36.880
Somebody was like, Oh, I don't need this computer that's got all the programs on it, I'll just give it to you.

01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:44.079
I was like, okay, you know, I fit figured out how to buy a printer and just you know, I mean, it just if you want it, it will happen.

01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:45.279
I agree a hundred percent.

01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:49.840
It's it's a really good message because don't figure out all the ways you can't do it, figure out the ways you can.

01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:53.520
And then quite often, I bring this story up a couple different times, you know, but actually it's relevant.

01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:55.840
You know, it's like this guy wanted to be in the belt business.

01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:59.119
And the belt machines at the time were like$200,000, right?

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And so instead of saying, oh, I just can't fundraise$200,000, I can't be in the belt business, he went out and he like went to Home Depot and copied the machine, built it himself.

01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:09.680
I think it cost him$10,000.

01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:13.520
And that machine now is the new standard for making belts.

01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:15.199
There's too many stories like that.

01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:17.600
You know, it's like people need to stop making excuses.

01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:24.640
If you want to actually do it, go out there, get a podcast, get a YouTube channel, get like get moving, right?

01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:26.079
Figure out the way you can do it.

01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:29.840
If you can't do it with$2 million, you know, figure out the supplement you can have today.

01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:31.600
Like it's it's such a good message.

01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:33.520
Like, so many good messages in this.

01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:39.920
I hope we didn't go too high level on the science and you know, like that sort of stuff, but I'm an absolute nerd for it myself.

01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:42.399
So um enjoyed the conversation immensely.

01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:44.319
Any other special messages for the audience?

01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:45.039
No, that's it.

01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:46.800
Just, you know, go get at it.

01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:47.439
You got it.

01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:48.960
Like you got this, like you got this.

01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:50.880
What a great understalker story.

01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:53.600
So, folks, so much to unpack there.

01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:55.279
Thanks for joining us once again.

01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:56.720
Want to thank my great guest.

01:17:57.119 --> 01:17:57.359
Thank you.

01:17:57.600 --> 01:17:58.960
You want to plug social media channels?

01:17:59.119 --> 01:17:59.520
Uh yeah.

01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:06.479
So I'm at Julie Gibson Clark on YouTube and Instagram, and JulieGibsonclark.com is my website, which I'm redoing right now.

01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:07.119
So yeah.

01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:11.760
And the and the whole new series, I'm gonna start introducing this paper to plate's coming out November 5th.

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It'll drop.

01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:13.439
I'm excited about that.

01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:17.119
It's like get interested in stuff and then go at it with all your might.

01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:20.720
Einstein didn't sit there and say, like, oh, I can't do this because of this.

01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:22.319
He found his interest, he went for it.

01:18:22.479 --> 01:18:26.159
Same with you, you know, and so like get started at what you're interested in today.

01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:29.279
If that's business, don't figure out all the ways you can't do it, right?

01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:31.680
You don't need two million dollars to start anything.

01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:35.439
And make sure your body's in shape along the way because you're gonna need it as a tool no matter what.

01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:36.000
That's right.

01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:36.479
That's right.

01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:39.199
All right, folks, we'll see you next time on underdogs.

01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:45.680
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