OVERCOMING STRUGGLE ISN’T EASY, BUT THREE-TIME MISS OLYMPIA SHOWS THE WAY

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Underdogs, Bootstrappers, Game Changers.

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And I have my dear friend Whitney with me here today.

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How are you doing, Whitney?

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I'm doing great.

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How are you?

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Good.

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You know, so I want to interrupt my own podcast for a second.

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Okay.

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And give the way I actually think about how I divulge good friends like you and how I'm going to bring them on as guests.

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Because I happen to know you're an amazing person.

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I happen to know we have amazing conversations, but I also have to remember the questions I want to ask as my person are different from what the audience might need today.

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And so I really, you know, I've read your book, you know, I really like hard think about my target audience and like what I'm going to do to help them today.

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And, you know, like what I think about my target audience, I think about one person in the world that is sitting at home listening to this, watching this, right?

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And like, what am I going to do today to help them with a messaging for their life?

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Right?

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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And I deep think this to the point that I know their name, I know what they eat, I know what they watch on TV, you know, it's like, and that person then, I think of their story.

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I actually added this into ChatGPT, and I said, give me a story on this person background, you know?

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Oh, right.

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And I kid you not, like it almost made me cry.

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And so every time I'm sitting in the seat, I think about that person and how I'm going to impact their life today, and therefore using you as one of my tools to help them impact their life.

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And so I have a special episode for you folks today.

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Grit, above all else, I think is the key indicator of anything, right?

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Sure.

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And everybody I have on my podcast has grit to some extent, you know, and Whitney has an overwhelming amount of grit, and you'll hear that story today.

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Um, just a drop and a reason to stick around.

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Three time Miss Olympia, did it broken?

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Yes, a few times.

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A few times.

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A few times broken, yes.

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And there's so many times in our life, and I'm gonna evolve a lot of this into fitness because that's your background today.

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Absolutely.

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There's so many times in our life that like fitness correlates perfectly as an analogy for me to so many other things in life.

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Agreed.

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So the first thing I'm gonna ask you today um is gonna be pretty personal.

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Okay.

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When we walk when we go into a gym and we see people across the gym, the most fit people are usually that way because of some psychology deep down.

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Sure.

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Absolutely.

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Often that's trauma.

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Right?

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I can speak to my own.

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You know, there's a lot of anger flowing in me.

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There's a lot of regret, there's a lot of um desire to save the world.

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I see awful things on social media that make me angry.

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And I get that out as an outlet of the gym.

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You know, self-esteem issues from when you're younger, all that sort of stuff.

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So tell me, like your original fitness path, what was the trauma that sparked it?

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Gosh, um, you know, I do have to say I feel lucky that I haven't experienced some of the level of trauma that a lot of my friends and athletes that I'm very close with have experienced to get them to this elite level.

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But everyone has their own version.

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Yeah.

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For me growing up, I had two older brothers who I adored.

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I came from a great family.

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We were always competitive.

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Everything was a competition.

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And being a young sister and just not able to run and compete at their level, it constantly made me feel a little less than.

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And that just drove me to be next level in everything I did, to the point where I became a perfectionist.

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I did have an eating disorder that was pretty uh dramatic and had a big impact in my life, where trying to combat and overcome that, I wanted to prove that I didn't have to be a perfectionist.

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So then it got into this level of my life where I never wanted to be challenged, where I could be positioned in a way where someone identified me as I could not achieve something.

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And so anytime, whether it was work, um, like professionally in my career or athletic or, you know, even being a mom, if someone said you can't, it was like it just lit something in me that I couldn't manage myself.

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And for me as an athlete, that's what drove me to be the champion I was, which is great in a way, but there are downfalls of it.

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And it that is a form of perfectionism, of proving people wrong.

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And so that's for me, that was where so much of what I achieved in life came from of proving people wrong, um, putting in the work when no one was watching, and then just showing myself and everyone, I told you so.

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I knew I could do it, you doubted me.

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Fuck off.

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I agree, but like I wouldn't have anything in life if it wasn't for that mentality myself.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Personally, in my saga, so to speak, it took me a while before, at first, when people tell you you can't do something, at least for me, yeah, I believe them.

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Right.

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And it took a switch mentally somehow.

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And I'd love to give people that switch.

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I don't know what that was.

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And I finally had a little belief in myself.

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And then that allowed me, and in some of it was the gym too.

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I reach back to that often.

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It's like you have little wins in the gym, you give yourself a little confidence, and then you feel like you can take on that next thing.

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Totally, yes.

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Yeah.

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Did you ever have that moment where it's like you wanted you almost could believe them for a second that you couldn't?

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Oh, for sure.

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For sure.

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I mean, you for me, I would have those dark moments of doubt when maybe things weren't going right, or I had expectations of how this day or this week or this month or even the competition was gonna go, and it did not go that way.

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Yeah.

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And then I started thinking, am I full of shit?

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Like, am I trying so hard to prove something that I'm actually not?

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And it was in those moments that you do.

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I mean, it's this, you can take yourself down this dark cycle in this pit, but thankfully it's like there's a new day, right?

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And um, the art of distraction for me is huge.

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And so I realized when I started letting my mind go into this trap, I'm the only person who can control if I get out of it.

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Yeah.

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So the art of distraction for me, whether it was two o'clock in the morning and I'm sitting in bed and just spinning my mind out of control, I would get up and I would do anything, something.

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Um, you know, whether it's reading a magazine, reading a book, watching a TV show, scrolling Instagram.

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I needed an art of distraction to get my brain to think about something else besides all these things I'm not, the doubt, the fear, the rejection, whatever it was, so that I could just get myself to kind of flip my mindset, flip my attitude and get back on the yes, you can, yes, you can, and just telling myself, don't be X, be Z, and just go all in.

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But you know, that's the reality of it.

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I'm never this straight arrow.

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It's hills and valleys, it's a roller coaster.

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So I would define that as a derailment of thought, right?

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So if you're going down these negative paths, then you try to pattern interrupt in some way, and you're saying you use pattern interrupt as like, I'm gonna throw on Instagram for a minute, or I'm gonna have you know, and actually that leads to an interesting point.

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Do you have a bank box that is like any moment that is like you can pull up a couple clips or something like that that really hit you home that like when you need it?

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I do.

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So um I have folders in Instagram that I go to, whether it's motivation, whether it's funny memes, whether it's I'm a huge dog lover, um, puppies.

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Yeah.

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So something to either make me laugh, make me grateful, make me humble, yeah, um, make me enjoy the simple things like puppies.

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So I have that.

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I also have um folders on my iPhone, like the camera roll of my boys.

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My boys are my biggest inspiration.

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And whenever, you know, I'm just kind of in this pit or having this pity party, you know, it's like, yeah, stop it.

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Like you are so lucky to have so many things in your life that people would, in a heartbeat, change places.

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I have two amazing boys.

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Sure.

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I have an amazing life, I have a great home, I have a car, like all these simple things, right, that we kind of take for granted.

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Yeah.

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And it allows me to go, God, quit, quit being a little baby.

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And no matter what level we're on, you know, it's like I grew up really poor and I didn't have much at a lot of different points.

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And then you're like, poor me, I don't have a lot of things, you know?

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Yeah, right.

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Yeah.

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And then uh these days, it's like I remember feeling a little really silly last year, or like, you know, we have those big storms, they just hay boobs.

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Oh, totally, yeah.

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You have a huge skylight up here in this building, and um all of a sudden the hayboob just grabs the skylight, like God-reaching hand, and rips it off the building, right?

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And then like I'm sitting down in the office, I'm already having a rough day.

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And then all of a sudden, it's like a brand new roof that I put on the other building.

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I start getting, and I'm like thinking about, okay, what am I gonna do in the middle of this hurricane to fix that, right?

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And while I'm thinking about that, I'm sitting in the seat, I'm stewing about a bunch of other things, and the roof starts leaking on my head, you know?

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And then I'm like thinking about this, like as I'm driving to the gym the next morning, I'm feeling bad for myself.

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Like, oh, really?

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You're feeling bad that you're like expensive property and a roof that you have money to fix and the physical capability to fix it as well.

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You're driving your fancy truck to the gym to work out in your first world plate, and you're gonna feel bad about yourself.

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Yeah.

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You're like, oh, my own business.

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I have to fit.

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Yeah.

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It's you know, and the thing is, it goes back to gratitude always.

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Yeah.

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And just kind of repositioning yourself to understand what's important, uh, acknowledge accomplishments, big or small.

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Yeah.

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And then really just kind of center yourself.

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Get I call it getting back to neutral, where you can go, okay.

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That that's what I really want people to see is like I'm around a really lot of successful, interesting people, you know, and we all do this to ourselves.

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You know, it's like no matter where you get in life, there is that poor me for a second.

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I don't care who you are.

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Yeah, and it's like you can't allow yourself that you especially do it when you're like first starting, it's like, oh, people are better, they have more, you know, all these things.

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And that's a mentality that you really need to break.

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That's why I bring up the some of these silly stories about like your progression in life.

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You're still gonna feel that way at any point, the way you're feeling right now.

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You know, it's like, but then you're gonna realize how silly you are for feeling it.

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And right, I actually want people to feel silly a little bit sooner, too, because you can do something about it.

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For sure.

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And you've got to learn how do you manage that.

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Yeah.

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So it's gonna happen.

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You can't avoid it.

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What you can control is how you manage it.

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And that's really where the true character of a person is shown.

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There's my favorite book is Man's Search for Meaning, and I'm gonna paraphrase it awfully here, but it's like basically like when life gives you circumstances, it's not what happens to you, it's how you act in those actions of what happened to you, right?

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Totally.

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It's like here's a guy from a Nazi concentration camp and he's thinking this way, you know, as a psychologist.

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I can't help that this happened to me.

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All I can control is how I act now, right?

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Right, for sure.

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And you can't help that.

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Um, I want to circle back a little bit and I want to talk about thriving and burning.

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Um do you burn through anger or do you burn through positive energy to stay motivated?

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I would definitely say positive energy.

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How do you do that?

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Um, I can't do that.

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I don't, you know, that's a great question.

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I don't know.

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I I think because I've seen so many people be angry, I've seen their life just implode because they can't understand the goodness they have, they don't understand the blessings, they're so focused on what they don't have that it's this negative energy.

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And I saw that in my college, excuse me, college and early 20s, that I just thought these people are wasting their life.

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So, you know, and again, this is during a period too where I was in eating disorder rehab, yeah, really in-depth some therapy.

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And I'm sure that had a lot to do with it, where I felt fortunate to be alive, I felt fortunate to have a future ahead and didn't care what it looked like because I got to now trail, um, blaze my own trail.

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Yeah.

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And so I just kind of made this self-conviction that I never want to be that.

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I didn't know really what I wanted to be and just um do, but I know I didn't want to be this example of negativity.

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And so you ask anyone around me, they're like, you are always so bubbly and you're always so positive.

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How are you always so happy?

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There's always something to be happy about.

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There's also always something to be sad about or angry about.

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It never served me to stay in that place for too long.

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So it's a way to change my outlook.

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If I'm in a bad mood or angry, things just always get worse.

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This I know about myself.

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So you have to change it.

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I'm just wondering, you know, it's like people tell me that I'm constantly happy, you know, to ask what I'm on, you know, on and that sort of stuff.

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Um, but I'm actually a really angry person.

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You know, are you really?

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But I burn it productively.

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And so, like, my question is more towards you're an animal in the gym.

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You have to be to accomplish, like, I go in there, the reason I can be kind of an animal in the gym is because I'm working through all the things that bug me in life.

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Sure.

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Right?

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And I'll amp myself up a little bit.

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Like I was telling you the story about the guy that abused the wolf, you know, earlier.

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You know, it's like I'm a big animal lover.

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That amps me up.

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I go to the gym and I want to hurt those weights, right?

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Right.

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You know, it's like I want to like hit that heavy bag.

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I've broken, I've broken probably 20 heavy bags at LA Fitness.

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No, yeah, and it's like that's the result of like getting my anger out, I think, positively.

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Sure, absolutely.

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I can't imagine going in and be like, life is so good today.

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I love everybody.

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How am I gonna kill this weight?

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You gotta describe how you use the positive energy to still kill a weight to me.

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Well, um my mindset to use that example, you know, when I'm training for Olympia for the several years, I mean, I was back to back seven to eight competitions a year around the country and then prepping for the Olympia.

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I'm a single mom, I'm running multiple businesses.

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Life is crazy.

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Yep.

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But I always was so happy that like I'm doing some pretty cool shit.

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Yeah.

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And how fortunate am I?

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Now, if you look at me on paper, I should have never been a pro athlete.

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I should have never, ever stepped on the Olympia stage, much less ever win it.

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Yeah.

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So I think the fact that I was unlike anyone else, I was older than almost everyone I was competing with.

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Yeah.

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And the fact that I could do it, I always went to this motto, you don't have to, you get to.

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Yeah.

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And so for me, you know, I would go in super sore and I've got three hours, which is a good chunk of time that I get to get my workout in, routine practice, skills training, you name it, as I'm prepping.

00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.159
And the fact that I'm like, wow, I have three hours today.

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This is amazing.

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I will tell you, never did I not get interrupted constantly in those three hours or get a call from my boys and they forgot their bag for practice.

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I mean, you name it, work-related stuff.

00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.759
But I was so excited to just go and just achieve.

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And I think for me, my my days were booked from 3 to 4 a.m.

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that I'm getting up to get going till late at night, you know, burning the midnight oil for work.

00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:22.399
I was excited to just do stuff and almost like a challenge.

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How long can I go without being interrupted?

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How long do I get to focus on what I'm supposed to do before I get derailed?

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Yeah.

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And so it was almost like I gamified things, if that makes sense.

00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:34.639
Yeah.

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To kind of make it a joke where I knew it wouldn't always work out right.

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But then when it didn't, I I expected that.

00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:44.559
Yeah.

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And I just would try to be grateful and happy that I was able to get something in.

00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:55.919
And, you know, again, whether there were some days that it didn't work out, and I have this huge, massive goal.

00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:04.559
I'm trying to compete to be one of the best in the world, and going, I've got 800 things on my plate that nobody else does.

00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:06.400
Give yourself a little credit.

00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:08.079
Give yourself some slack.

00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:20.400
But uh to go back to another point, there were those down moments where it's like you're failing at everything, you're failing at running your business property, you're failing at your prep and doing everything you need to for your competition.

00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:23.680
You're failing because you're not there every single minute as a mom.

00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:24.079
Yeah.

00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:25.599
Right.

00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:30.960
So it's like, okay, but then as I flipped that, it's like you're doing the best you can.

00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:36.319
You're never going to be the perfect business owner, the perfect athlete, the perfect mom.

00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:38.319
Is everything working great?

00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:43.519
Just be happy because the shoe may drop tomorrow and it may not be that way.

00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:48.000
So, you know, I always just tried to use the positive energy.

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Because, like I said, if I allowed myself, allowed myself to stay in that negative space, things just continued to go wrong.

00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:56.559
Yeah.

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And I experienced that enough times that I love to be positive because then I could handle all the stuff that's coming at me.

00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.599
It's like boom, boom, knock it out, punch it, punch it.

00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:09.759
Nothing's gonna phase me as long as I'm staying in this positive mindset.

00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:13.119
You know, the best uh business advice I ever heard was Rocky.

00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:15.519
It's like uh taking hits and keep walking forward.

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Totally, yes.

00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:17.599
That's what grit is.

00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:22.720
And so selfishly, the conversation I really wanted to have today was around like, how do you stop grit?

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You know, because it can be dangerous at a certain point.

00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:30.079
But let's face it, 99.9% of the population doesn't have enough grit, right?

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I agree.

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Yes.

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And those you see, like uh a David Goggins, for instance, he also thrives off anger, right?

00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:40.480
You know, although he's I think he's almost angry like outwardly too.

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Yeah, you know, I'm very positive outwardly.

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I burn all my negative stuff out, I think in a very productive way.

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Sure.

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And I'm like, the world is handing me this anger, you know, like I and I happen to have a healthy uh dose of empathy.

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Usually my anger comes from empathy.

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Sure.

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Because I'm putting myself in people's shoes, uh, you know, like causes that I care about, things like that.

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And that that makes me angry and I burn through it, you know.

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But I also wanted to give them the positive side.

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My side isn't for everybody, right?

00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:10.799
You know, I say if it's given to you, find a healthy way to burn it out, right?

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Right.

00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:17.359
You know, there's a phrase I use, it's like, um, it can be, you know, gas is fuel to drive an ambulance or start a fire, right?

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Constructively, destructively, you know.

00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:19.599
Yeah.

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So if you have that, like find a construct.

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If I'm going out there getting in road rage on the street, now I'm affecting the world.

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Right.

00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.640
If I'm crushing some weights, you know, like then like I'm I'm using it positively.

00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.519
And then usually I'm going towards a solution in my mind, too.

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Absolutely.

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Um, and that's why I just find it so alien to me almost to go in there just like so happy.

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But like what I'm hearing also is like, I get to do this.

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Yes.

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I'm blessed to do this.

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Right.

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You know, I'm fortunate to be here.

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I do the this because I love it, you know.

00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:51.920
Although I think there's a slight seed of anger in there too, because you're still trying to prove people wrong.

00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:52.960
I'm sure.

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Absolutely.

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There's no, I can't sit here and say, oh, I'm always just so happy and everything's great.

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No chance.

00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:00.559
Yeah.

00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.799
I always will be trying to prove people wrong.

00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:05.200
Yeah.

00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:14.559
Because I feel like I put myself in these situations where I don't really belong, but that's why it's a challenge and I thrive on challenges.

00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:19.440
It's crazy to me to hear you say that because it's like you're three-time Miss Olympia.

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Everybody in this town knows you.

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A lot of people know you throughout the country, country, you know.

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Like you've literally won at the top of the stage and you've done it with what, a broken neck, yeah, a broken leg.

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And what was the third injury you had?

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Well, I've I mean, I've never done an Olympia without something injured.

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So um, I've had 19 surgeries now.

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I've broken almost every bone in my body.

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So, you know, I've had broken ribs that I've competed with, torn shoulders.

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Ribs are the worst.

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Oh, God, they are.

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And the thing is that you don't really have much to show.

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Like, you know, you break a leg, you've got a cast, you've got things.

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Ribs are tough because you got to breathe.

00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:00.319
Oh, yeah.

00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.359
But man, you can't laugh, you can't breathe.

00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:03.680
Yeah.

00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:04.319
Totally.

00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:14.720
So I've had, you know, torn shoulders, torn ACL, um, I've torn my shoulders actually five times, three times on the left, twice on here, broken wrists, broken ankles, you name it.

00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:25.119
But two Olympias that I've won have been um the first one was nine months after a broken neck and um right after a torn ACL.

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And then the third Olympia was with a broken leg.

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Third Olympia win.

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How do you get over?

00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:31.759
And this is a selfish question.

00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:33.839
I'm sorry, folks, I have to ask at least one.

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How do you get over the fear?

00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:43.200
You know, because it's like I broke my back quite a few years ago, and I'm constantly afraid now at any moment I could break it again, and that'll take me out of everything.

00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:47.119
So how do you like still push hard with the fear at any moment?

00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:50.720
It's like once you've broken like something, it's like, okay, this could break again.

00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:51.759
What do you do to that?

00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:59.759
Um You know what's interesting is I've noticed recently, yeah, the past year or year and a half, I have fear of injuries.

00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:00.240
Yeah.

00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:01.599
For the first time.

00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:02.079
Yeah.

00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:18.559
I mean, what's what's crazy is after I broke my neck, the trick that I did where I actually was like hurt my neck, um, skills that I've done where I tore my ACL, I've gone back like as soon as I could to do it.

00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.039
And I always, you know, was questioned, people like, why would you do it again?

00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:23.599
Yeah.

00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:31.920
And for me, it's like uh, you know, you hear old gymnasts would like, if you get injured, you get back on the beam, you do the skill, you get back on the bars, you do the skill.

00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:37.119
Now, I wasn't a gymnast, but I heard that and I thought that's how you embrace fear.

00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:42.960
So all these years, I didn't really have fear of breaking stuff.

00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:48.880
And maybe it's because I had broken so many things that I'm like, eh, I always recover.

00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:49.359
Yeah.

00:22:49.680 --> 00:23:05.759
Um, but lately, and it's probably because I still have a lot of pain um symptoms and effects from my neck injury, but I've been more hesitant as of recently with injuring my neck again.

00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.279
But I think it's because it goes to being paralyzed.

00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:09.680
Yeah.

00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:18.480
And that's the first time, literally, that I've been fearful of an injury is just in the last year or year and a half.

00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:22.799
I mean, in for an athlete, the the body is the instrument, right?

00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:27.039
It's like just like, so let's say you play the oboe and it gets crushed by a bus.

00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:29.920
You know, it's like you can't really play the oboe that day, you know?

00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:36.319
It's like, or in the fitness world, it's like if your back is broken, your shoulder's broken, it's really hard to like fine-tune that instrument, you know?

00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:37.200
Yeah, yeah.

00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:39.599
So what mentality can you use to come back?

00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:47.680
I guess for me, I I love activity and that that's what helps me mentally to just feel accomplished.

00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:52.319
Um, you know, it allows me to think through issues, problems, complicated, whatever it is.

00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:52.559
Yeah.

00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:57.680
Like if I'm having a business issue, the gym is where I work through it and I come up with solutions.

00:23:57.759 --> 00:23:58.079
Totally.

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Or I'm trying to be creative with an idea or an approach or a pitch, whatever it is.

00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:04.160
That's where I work through it.

00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:08.240
So no matter what, when I've been injured, I have always been active.

00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:12.240
So if it's an upper body thing that's injured, I'm like, this is my time.

00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:16.880
I'm gonna, my lower body's gonna be legit while this is in rehab.

00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:20.000
So vice versa, there's always something you can do.

00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:20.400
Yeah.

00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:27.200
So the injuries are a way that I've known, and again, I've seen several people get in this deep dark state.

00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:27.759
Yeah.

00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:31.279
Depression is real, especially for athletes with an injury.

00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:31.759
Sure.

00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:43.680
So I think, you know, when I had some pretty significant injuries early on in my career as a fitness pro, I realized, well, I don't want to stay there, but I also knew I couldn't.

00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:51.119
If I was gonna climb the ladder, I needed to find a way to continue staying on point, stay in shape, work on skills.

00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.480
And so it allowed me to, again, the art of distraction.

00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:55.759
Don't focus on the injury.

00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.400
It's gonna be weeks before you can do anything.

00:24:58.559 --> 00:24:59.839
But what can you do?

00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:00.160
Yeah.

00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:06.880
If you don't focus on what you can't and you only focus on what you can, that makes the time pass a lot faster.

00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.039
You know, it's the same thing in business too.

00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:09.440
Yeah.

00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:15.359
And and I'm not big on like diving in and reading stuff on this podcast because I think it slows it down.

00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:19.119
But I do want to read you, like at least kind of paraphrase through this.

00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:21.119
Um, this is such BS.

00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:26.559
All the training and sacrifice just flew out the window with one step that I've done a million times.

00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:28.720
The frustration is unbearable.

00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.079
The anger is rage.

00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:31.759
Why the hell did this happen?

00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:33.359
Makes no damn sense.

00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:38.000
Now I'm supposed to come back from this and be the same old player or better at 35.

00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.559
How in the world am I supposed to do that?

00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:41.920
I have no clue.

00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.039
Do I have the consistent will to overcome this thing?

00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:47.839
Maybe I should take a break and go to the rocking chair.

00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:49.920
Reminisce on a career that was.

00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:52.160
Maybe this is how my book ends.

00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.720
My f has father time defeated me?

00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:55.920
Then again, maybe not.

00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:02.000
It's 3 30 a.m., my foot feels like dead weight, my head is spinning from the pain meds, and I'm wide awake.

00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:07.599
Forgive my venting, but what's the purpose of social media if I can't bring to you this real image?

00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:09.279
Feels good to vent.

00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:09.839
Let it out.

00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.480
To feel it all as if this is the worst thing ever.

00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:16.240
Because all that venting, a per real perspective sets in.

00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:21.119
There are far greater issues, challenges in the world than a torn Achilles.

00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:22.880
Stop feeling sorry for self.

00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:28.640
Find the silver lining and get to work with the same belief, same drive, and same conviction as ever.

00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:33.279
One day, the beginning of a new career journey will commence.

00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:34.720
Today is not that day.

00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:36.079
I'm gonna end it here.

00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:40.240
If you see me in a fight with the bear, pray for the bear.

00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:41.920
How do you feel about that?

00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:42.559
I love it.

00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:43.599
You know who that is?

00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:44.400
Kobe Bryant.

00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:45.279
Kobe Bryant.

00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:45.839
Yeah.

00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:52.960
It's the reality of you have to feel the raw emotion of this sucks.

00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:54.400
And that's the truth of it.

00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:54.720
Yeah.

00:26:54.880 --> 00:27:00.000
Like being able to put a spin on it and find the silver lining and say, this is not the end of it.

00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:00.400
Yeah.

00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:01.680
Is what I love.

00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:06.559
Like he said, raw, real, this is how I'm feeling, but and then it flips.

00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.559
And that's where it matters.

00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:09.920
That's where it matters.

00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:16.799
As an athlete, I mean, that was that was me when I won my first world champion.

00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:17.279
Mm-hmm.

00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:20.160
First world championship title.

00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:21.599
It was the Arnold Classic.

00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:25.759
So it was nine months after I broke my neck, and everyone had said, yo, your career's over.

00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:27.839
And you know, that was great.

00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:29.039
She she was good.

00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.680
You know, she never achieved the top title, but we're counting her out, blah, blah.

00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:39.759
And I was reading this on all the forums and on social media, and I thought, who said I'm out?

00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:41.440
I'm not going out like this.

00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:41.839
Yeah.

00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:46.400
And it was weird because I never ever thought this could be the end.

00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:46.960
Yeah.

00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.079
And then again, it lit my fire to just say I'm going to show up.

00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.920
I didn't, you know, again, am I going to be what I was?

00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:56.400
Yeah.

00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:57.839
Am I going to be better?

00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:58.960
Probably not.

00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.279
But I damn sure had to try.

00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:06.400
And so, you know, that lit my fire to go, I will write my own ending.

00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:06.720
Yeah.

00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:15.839
Not all of you people who don't know what I'm made of, who don't know what happened, who said I'm done, who said I cannot win a world championship title.

00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:25.680
And so from that moment on, it was like I was laser focused on coming back to the best of my ability, not even sure what it would be.

00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.720
And that was when four weeks out, I tore my ACL.

00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:36.400
So I went into the Arnold Classic nine months after breaking my neck with a torn ACL that I competed with.

00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.400
And that's when I won my first world championship title.

00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:41.680
Like, who would have thought?

00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.680
Now the world didn't know about my ACL.

00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:44.000
Yeah.

00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:52.880
Everyone knew about my uh neck because they thought, truthfully, they thought it was all BS what I was putting out on my own social media platforms.

00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:53.119
Yeah.

00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:54.640
They thought these videos are old.

00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:55.440
What is she doing?

00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.000
She can't, there's no way she's competing.

00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.359
This is fake.

00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.359
And I thought, why would I put this out?

00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:03.680
I have to actually step on stage in March.

00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:04.079
Yeah.

00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:08.000
So, and and I have to do these tricks that you guys are seeing me do.

00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:08.400
Yeah.

00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.519
And of course, I thought, this is so mediocre.

00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.160
This is not what I want to present on stage.

00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.400
I'm going to be better than what I'm showing.

00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:16.720
Yeah.

00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:18.559
And you guys still don't believe it.

00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:24.559
But then when I tore my ACL, there was this moment of maybe, maybe I can't do this.

00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:26.160
Maybe I'm pushing too hard.

00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.880
Maybe my grit is too strong and too powerful, and I need to pull back.

00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:36.960
But I, you know, for me, I said, I have to show up in whatever ability it is.

00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.759
The fact that I tore my ACL sucks.

00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:46.960
But my goal originally was I'm coming back after a broken neck to prove the to the world that I can.

00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:52.559
And for anyone in this situation to realize that life is not over, you've got to try.

00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:55.680
And I didn't know what would show up that day on stage.

00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.039
I didn't know if it was going to be last place, first place.

00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.359
And to be honest, I didn't care.

00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:03.200
I needed to show up.

00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:08.480
I needed to show all those people who doubted me that this can actually happen.

00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:14.480
And my mentality, my grit going into that show is why I won.

00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:21.200
I look back now, it was not my best routine in regards to skill performance, but there was something different.

00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:30.000
And to this day, the judges will say it's one of their favorite routines they've ever seen because they could feel my raw emotion on that stage.

00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:31.440
And I just got chills.

00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:37.680
I still can feel that moment of when the lights turned on and it was go time.

00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:42.000
And as soon as I stepped off, I didn't clearly know I won.

00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.079
In my heart, I knew I won.

00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.160
And I was so damn proud of myself.

00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:51.359
And then to actually have my name announced, it was like, how the hell did I do this?

00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:58.480
It's pure grit and it's belief in yourself and it's the mindset that you're just going to do the best that you can, no matter the outcome.

00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.200
You can't, you can't control the outcome.

00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:02.880
You can control your effort.

00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:03.359
Yeah.

00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:08.640
And you can also control what you how you validate yourself on that effort.

00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:10.640
I wish people could realize that more.00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.799


It's like something I'd love to get across here more.00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:14.559


It's like no quitting means success.00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:23.200


You know, it's like how many guys or girls or whoever had like failed, you know, and I mean your story's different, but like they failed in a business or something like that.00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.400


And if that was the stopping point, that would be the end of the story.00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:27.920


We'd never know who they were, right?00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:28.240


Yeah.00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.839


But that ends up being like a such a small thing in their entire road.00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:33.839


And I'm always thinking about that silly analogy.00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:34.960


You know, you see it from the side.00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:38.880


It's like a cartoon, and it's this guy digging, you know, it's like, and he's in this tunnel, right?00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:39.119


Right.00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:45.279


And then you can see him, and on the other side of this little piece of dirt, he can't see it, we can, is the gold, right?00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.359


And it's like, if you don't chip that one more thing away, you never know.00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.000


You know, it's like I read a story in Egypt when I was there.00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:58.960


This guy had dug for gold for like, you know, like 30 years, and it turns out it was one foot away, he stopped, right?00:31:59.200 --> 00:31:59.440


Wow.00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.319


Or like Matt Reif, you know, he was touring for 10 years.00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:07.599


It was one Instagram video, uh, excuse me, TikTok video at year 10 that blasted him off.00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.839


You know, it's like it's the no-quitting thing.00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:10.640


Totally.00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:11.279


Totally.00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:12.079


How much different?00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:13.920


I want to hit that point harder too.00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.519


It's like, talk to me about you know the result now.00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:19.119


Three-time Miss Olympia.00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:25.599


All these things have changed your life, you know, and that's led to things in your business and your life and being able to positively impact people.00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.119


Because you have that title, it's been such a tool for so many other things you get to.00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:30.319


Absolutely, right?00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:31.359


What if you hadn't done that?00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.640


How much different would life be if you had quit at the first injury?00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:35.839


Drastically different.00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:42.079


I don't even know what life would have looked like, honestly, or where I would be or what I'd be doing.00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.519


Do you feel like it would be a semblance of what your full potential should have been?00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:46.240


Not at all.00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:46.559


Yeah.00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.319


Not not even a chance.00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:48.799


Yeah.00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:53.519


Um, and you know, I think too, it's like there's we have pivotal moments in life.00:32:53.759 --> 00:33:09.359


And for me, you know, becoming a single mom, divorced suddenly, and losing my mom to cancer all within a year, and um, I was in just such a very different space because that was not the life I envisioned.00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:09.839


Yeah.00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:18.960


And in a way, I look back on that and think life was just kind of cush, but very mediocre.00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:19.440


Yeah.00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:34.000


And had I not have to had to go through those hard, difficult times where I had to just dig deep and figure out who am I and what is my life gonna be now, I would never have achieved these things.00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:55.279


You know, and it's it's awful to say, but I try to help some of my friends who are going through a hard time and saying, you know, you again, you can't control it, but this is an opportunity for you to choose what you're gonna do about it and what positive can come from it and take this time to learn about you.00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:55.599


Yeah.00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.079


And do you want to disappoint yourself?00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.400


Because at the end of the day, we have to look at ourselves in the mirror and go, did we give it our all?00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:04.400


Did we take the easy way out?00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.160


Did we take the risks?00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.559


Did we try to be legendary in whatever we are trying to achieve?00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:10.880


Yeah.00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:13.519


Or did we just stay mediocre?00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:14.960


And how is that gonna feel?00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:18.400


I mean, that's why it's important, like not to be morbid, to remember your deathbed.00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:19.679


Yeah, I think about it all the time.00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:28.400


It's like if I were to just like if Tyler wants to go have a farm right now and just like sit back and like get away from stress and things for a while, you know, forever.00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.320


You know, but then when I really think about all the things I want to accomplish, I would be miserable, right?00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:32.800


Totally.00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.599


And so um we're gonna play a game for a second.00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.280


Okay, we're gonna call it the grit game.00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:46.480


All right, right, and like you and I are gonna attempt to give people like some steps forward as like starting out underdogs, that sort of stuff.00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.199


Because grit is as much developed as anything else, you know.00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.039


It's like you're not just handed it, you know?00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:51.360


No.00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.519


And if you are great, you know, but I don't think most people are.00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:56.800


It's small steps over time.00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:57.280


Totally.00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:03.039


So give me some of your tools that you think like we're trying to help that underdog out there build some grit.00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:04.639


What would you suggest?00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:06.239


Do it for yourself.00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:06.719


Okay.00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:12.400


You know, I one of my biggest things is what's happening that in the hours that nobody's watching.00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:12.639


Yeah.00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:14.880


Like that is your true grit.00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:15.519


Totally.00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.199


And are you letting yourself down?00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.000


Would you be embarrassed if people were watching, you know, fly on the wall?00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:23.599


Would you be embarrassed?00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.719


Because if so, then do something about it.00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.239


And know that you're not gonna have good days all the day.00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:31.760


Yeah, that you're gonna have bad.00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:32.800


That means you're normal.00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:33.360


Cool.00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:38.480


Now, what do you do about it the next day so that you can make sure you don't feel that way again?00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.920


And it's just those small steps and be realistic.00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:53.119


You know, again, if I started out my career and I said, I'm gonna be Miss Olympia, how soon would I need to achieve that before I would feel like a failure if I hadn't?00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.679


So you gotta set realistic things.00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:02.480


For me, it was come up with a badass routine that's entertaining that I love.00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:02.800


Yeah.00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:05.679


And then hopefully the judges and the audience will too.00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.280


Okay, so I achieved that.00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:13.840


Now just shoot for some of the most competitive shows that you could compete in and see if you can place.00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:23.199


You know, so it's these small steps, or you know, even sometimes with coaching a lot of these fitness athletes, try to learn a skill that that would be so cool.00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:24.400


Well, have you tried it?00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:25.760


No, there's no way I could do it.00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:26.639


Let's break it down.00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:27.280


Let's try it.00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:27.599


Yeah.00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:32.960


Let's start with this step, and then within nine months to a year, maybe you'll get it.00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:38.559


So it's small little steps that are realistic where you can go, all right, cool.00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.199


Got that next, did that next.00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.599


There's a litmus test for this, I believe, too.00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:44.159


Yeah.00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.440


And it's important to give yourself some grace, right?00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:48.239


Totally.00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:52.639


I haven't, I'm not very good at doing this, you know, but I think there's a litmus test for grit.00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:58.079


And it's anytime you feel like you've wasted your potential, and that could be a Sunday, you know, and enjoy your Sunday once in a while.00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:05.360


It's important to relax, but also realize you really have grit and there's a litmus test for it if you blew off all of Sunday and you're feeling guilty about it.00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:10.480


I think that is like a test that is like, and I don't get me wrong, there is a torture to this too.00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:11.039


Totally.00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:11.280


Right?00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:16.239


And so anytime you're allowing yourself a little bit of grace is like, hey, I'm not feeling that good today, right?00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:17.519


You're gonna feel guilty about it.00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:19.039


That is the downside of grit.00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.840


But that's to know that's how to know if you're building it properly, too.00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:28.000


Because anytime you're not progressing towards the things that you want, or you know, for me, it's been a lot around work and business.00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:33.199


You know, I always, you know, what worked for me when I first started my business was outworking everybody, right?00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:33.599


Right, yeah.00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:38.079


It's like, how am I gonna compete with my my my uh competitor was a billionaire, right?00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.679


Yeah, and I was starting with$4,000.00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:41.039


How am I gonna compete with a building?00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:41.840


Totally, right?00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:42.159


Totally.00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.039


It's like, well, every Friday night, I'll be working, right?00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.559


While they're thinking about going to the bar or, you know, having a dinner, I won't do that.00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.119


I didn't date for five years, I was celibate for five years.00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.280


Yeah, you gotta realize all the things you'll give up, right?00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:53.760


Totally.00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.719


When you give up those things, that becomes grit, right?00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.480


It's like it and then you have to find something you truly, truly want.00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:07.119


Because if you're in the practice of a mission-purpose drive towards something amazing in life, grit comes.00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:07.920


Yeah, right.00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:08.400


Yep.00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:10.880


But that's why I love the first steps into a gym, too.00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:12.320


Yeah, you know, it's like for sure.00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:14.719


That's the everybody fears it, you know.00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.159


It's like 100%.00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.480


I mean, you always fear walking in the door.00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.880


Not, you know, I can't count the number of times that are like, Tyler, will you just go with me and show me how to use this stuff?00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:23.679


I'm afraid of the stuff.00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.000


Yes, intimidate everyone's staring at me.00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:26.800


Yeah, uh-huh.00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:28.559


And the truth is nobody's staring at you.00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:29.039


Exactly.00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.559


My favorite people to look at are the ones that you can tell are just getting in there.00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.519


They're being brave, they're probably way overweight or something like that.00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.159


Or they're 90 years old and they're still moving around in there.00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:40.400


You know, it's like, we're cheering for you.00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.960


You know, people aren't judging for you, they're cheering for you.00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:43.360


Right.00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:49.760


You know, it's like I really, I really think the gym is a great um way to start building grit, right?00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:50.320


Absolutely.00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:50.559


Yeah.00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:52.079


Facing challenges.00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.159


And then get confidence.00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:59.679


You get some confidence with feeling healthy, and you're gonna need a good machine to move maneuver this world, you know.00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:00.000


Right.00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.639


I would say every adventure needs a great avatar, right?00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:03.280


Wow, yes.00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:13.840


If Indiana Jones was overweight and, you know, like couldn't think and, you know, lethargic for meeting twinkies all the time, could he go and like do these amazing missions in the world?00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.719


You know, and the answer is no, you know, and so yeah.00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:23.360


I really like I think it's one of the biggest blessings that you can have is to have some grit in your life because it really helps you accomplish the end sort of thing.00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:23.760


Oh, sure.00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:28.800


And the thing is, like, it's it's crazy because people always think, oh, it's too late.00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.239


It's never too late.00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.559


And to talk about quitting, I mean, I got into this industry at 35.00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:34.880


Yeah.00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:47.119


So everyone else is getting into this industry, especially in my division of fitness and doing these choreographed dance routines, bat flips, and like, come on, who's doing that at 35, starting with no experience?00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:47.519


Yeah.00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:53.440


Usually they're like later teens, early 20s, get in, they've been gymnasts, dancer, whatever.00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.559


And, you know, I won my first Olympia at 41.00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:56.880


Yeah.00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:57.679


Like, what?00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:01.199


Yeah, but had I worried about, oh, it's too late.00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:01.519


Yeah.00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:02.400


Well, guess what?00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:08.880


At some point, when you think it's too late, a year or two later, you're gonna go, gosh, wish I would have done it then.00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:10.159


Wish I would have done it then.00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.400


Bite the bullet, just do it now.00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:18.960


I know 80-year-olds, there's two individually that I adore because they act like they're 30.00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:21.760


Yeah, they will not let age define them.00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:26.639


Yeah, and they are still, oh, I'm gonna open this business, I'm gonna shoot for this endurance goal.00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:30.960


It's like in a way, everyone's first thought is do you realize how old you are?00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:38.159


They won't say it out loud because they know that these two guys are like, yeah, and yeah.00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:40.400


So it's never too late.00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:42.800


It's never too late to develop grit.00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:47.199


It's never too late to dare, it's never too late to take risks.00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.920


Because at the end of the day, regret, it's a it's a horrible thing.00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:52.800


So try.00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.119


We have so much more control over this, too.00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.960


It's absolutely totally like I'll think of fantasy stuff and relate it all the time.00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:03.199


It's like, okay, you look up to um Stark, you know, Iron Man.00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:03.440


Yeah.00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.239


As like, wow, wouldn't that be cool to have that life?00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.239


I believe you actually can, right?00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:08.480


Right.00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:16.719


I believe you actually can have that life because you can go become an engineer, you can go like study and like invent things, and that will lead to money.00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:21.519


You can go be philanthropic in this world, you know, you can be in Deanna Jones, you know.00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:24.960


It's like start starting studying what you're interested in, you know.00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:26.320


Use the whip, you know.00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:29.119


It's like I've never regretted any random skill I've started.00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.559


And not only that, but you'll be thanking yourself in 20 years, you know.00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.960


You know, like there's a couple things I'd love to thank my younger self for, and I'd love to hear yours too.00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:43.039


It's like walking into the gym first time and the mixed martial arts gyms the first time, braving that as a young kid.00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:47.280


I can't be like, if I could go back, it's one of the few things I would thank the younger self for.00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.039


So thank you for starting starting that.00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:50.239


Yeah, absolutely.00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:51.840


What are some of yours?00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.360


Um, I gosh, taking the risks.00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:55.760


Yeah.00:41:56.000 --> 00:42:16.239


And, you know, it's anything, whether it's, you know, the first time I ever decided I was going to do a competition or first business I started, you know, it's there's so much that goes into our brain, and a lot of it's from the outside noise of others that are creating the doubt, the fear, you can't do this, or have you thought about and they're trying to protect you.00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:16.800


Yep.00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:26.800


And being able to quiet that noise and just go, gosh, you know, in my gut, listening to your gut is so powerful to go, but I gotta try.00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:28.320


I gotta try.00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:38.079


And then if you can tell yourself if it doesn't work out, there's a big lesson that will then propel you into your next adventure.00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:39.440


So it's okay.00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.360


Because I feel like fear of failure is why so many people stop.00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:44.559


It's crazy.00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:53.599


I think for me, I'm so happy I took the risk and tried things that I had no experience doing.00:42:53.840 --> 00:43:01.119


And in some situations, like you know, becoming a fitness pro, I had no background, I had no business trying that.00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:05.360


But I did it because I thought, well, it kind of seems cool.00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:06.159


Why not?00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:06.639


Yeah.00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:12.079


Somebody is going to win, somebody is going to achieve it, somebody is going to do these things.00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:13.519


Why can't it be you?00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:14.880


What if it was?00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:16.719


Dare to dream.00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:23.280


Because then when it happens, you talk about confidence to try your next goal or your next journey.00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:32.639


So whether it's big or small, allow yourself to build confidence on top of confidence because that's where the grit comes from.00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:34.559


I think, yeah, little wins, right?00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:34.880


Yeah.00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:42.559


Like like flexing that like fear muscle, you know, two ways in life to really build yourself is like you make sure your heart is in the right place.00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.559


So, like, hey, if I'm gonna be Miss Olympia, what good great things could I do for the world, right?00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:47.920


Right, you check that dot.00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:49.119


And then is it scary?00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:50.559


You know, and it's like the answer is yeah.00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.280


And you're stretching this fear muscle, this grit muscle.00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:58.559


You know, it's like, and the people that accomplish the most have a massive amount of grit.00:43:58.800 --> 00:43:58.960


Right.00:43:59.119 --> 00:43:59.679


But they also have a00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.639


Massive amount of uh belief and curiosity that I can.00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:02.880


Right.00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:04.000


And what if, right?00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.639


And the heck, I mean, you and I have talked.00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:08.480


We have failed at a lot of things.00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:08.800


Sure.00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:11.039


Now, that's not the fun stuff to talk about.00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:24.960


However, that is if you don't have failure, you really, I have a hard time believing you will be ultra successful without hitting failure, failure, success, failure, failure, failure, success.00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:30.960


I mean, that's kind of the definition of entrepreneurship, anyways, but it's because you're daring to be different.00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.119


So know that failure is coming, but that's okay.00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:44.480


There's lessons that allow you to not fail in that same regard and makes you more successful when you try again or you try something different.00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:46.079


It's it's such a gift.00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.599


Failure is such a gift because it's not actually failure if you keep going, right?00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:50.960


So you get to define it that way.00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:52.880


It's like, oh, I failed, right?00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.719


No, I didn't because I kept going and then I I've made a success, right?00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:57.119


Sure.00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:57.599


Totally.00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:59.119


Then like failure gets deleted.00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.880


So that's how you delete failure, right?00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:01.199


Right.00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.639


And the other thing is it's like if you want a big life, you're gonna have big problems.00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:05.360


Yes, right?00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.679


If you want a huge business, you're gonna have to have big problems coming at you every single day.00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:10.000


Yeah.00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:10.320


Right?00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.280


If you want a big life, you know, so see what you wish for, right?00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:13.920


Right, yeah.00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:20.719


But then there has to be, and that's where I've always put this into mission purpose alignment, you know, you better have a big mission too, because you better make that pain worth it.00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:21.119


Yeah.00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:22.079


Because it is painful.00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.559


Oh, I want to talk about support systems too.00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:30.960


It was like I was listening to a little bit of that um guy that's everywhere right now, he's the divorce attorney, you know, to the stars and stuff.00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:37.199


And he said something kind of eloquent and beautiful, and it was like, um, you're in your best state in a relationship.00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:42.480


I'm paraphrasing, if you're helping your significant other get to them great their greatest self.00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:44.079


Sure, absolutely.00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.159


How have you found the right partners and people in your life to help you realize?00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.719


Because we have a lot of people in our life that will doubt us, right?00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:51.199


Oh, yeah.00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.360


It was that that was my original inspiration.00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.119


It's like teachers treated me awful.00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.119


They all told me I was never gonna mount to nothing.00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:58.400


I was going to jail, all these things.00:45:58.480 --> 00:45:58.639


Right.00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:04.880


You know, it's like, how do you find the people that allow you believe long past well, and then let me segue it this way too.00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:06.960


I never believed I could bench six plates.00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:07.440


Sure.00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:08.079


In my mind.00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:08.559


Right.00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:08.880


Yeah.00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.880


And then the old biker that I used to always talk to, you know, he goes up and he goes, You could do more than that.00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.119


And we threw six plates on the thing.00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:18.800


I went up so easy, it was ridiculous.00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:19.039


Yeah.00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:20.800


You know, it's like, I didn't believe it, right?00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:21.039


Right.00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.320


There was somebody that believed in me far past, and I was so unused to this.00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:24.639


Right.00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:25.519


You know, far past.00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:29.119


And then like I was able to progress from there exponentially.00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:29.519


Yeah.00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:33.440


How do you find the people in your life that help you believe in yourself even more than you can?00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:37.519


Well, you have to, you have to kind of set criteria for sure.00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:46.559


And I've had some relationships with um significant others that again, it wasn't, it wasn't us uplifting each other.00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.480


You get what you give, and that's something I firmly believe.00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:50.960


Sure.00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:59.119


So it goes both ways, but there's just some people who are in your life as a blessing and then others who are in your life as a lesson.00:46:59.199 --> 00:46:59.360


Yeah.00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:00.880


And that's where I found it.00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:14.400


You know, for whatever purpose, however I was brought together with someone, if there was um envy, intimidation, um, they kind of presented the negative sides of everything.00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:19.679


It's like, no, that's not how I'm gonna achieve things, and that's not what I want to give to you either.00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:19.920


Yeah.00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:27.440


Because if I allowed myself to be in those situations, I saw that I withdrew who I was, and I love to give back.00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.480


I love to be that encouraging person to help them believe.00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:32.559


So, you know, it's not the right fit.00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.960


And you just have to kind of have certain criteria.00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:39.360


What are your not never gonna happen?00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.519


You're um, gosh, what is the word I'm trying to think?00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:42.400


Non-negotiables.00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:42.800


Yeah.00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:48.960


You know, it's like these are things I want in someone that I'm going to give my energy, my love, my time to.00:47:49.280 --> 00:48:04.079


And then when you find it, you just know, and that's where you know it's a good fit, where you're constantly trying to level up in your life, personally, professionally, looking deep within, reflective, giving to others.00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.800


That's what makes me want to do more for myself, makes me want to give more to him.00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:20.559


So it's give and take, but there's a lot of people out there who are intimidated by people who are driven, who have grit, who are next level in their mindset.00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:26.239


And that's fine, but you can't stay there with those people because it will ultimately bring you down.00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:28.079


You have to find people that will grow with you.00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:29.519


There's uh there was without a doubt.00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:30.079


Absolutely.00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:33.199


And the more you grow, the more you'll lose people you thought you never would, right?00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:35.039


Because it's like now you're in a new box.00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:39.840


And I've I've become completely fascinated, as you guys know on the show, because I've been doing it a lot.00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.519


Um, it's like I know how important the partner is in your life.00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.840


I think it's the most important decision you'll ever make.00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.320


I think it has everything to do with your happiness and success.00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:49.280


I've really boiled that down.00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:53.039


I've had Judge Lynn on here, uh, I've had T on here, your dear friend.00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.599


You know, we've talked about like relationships and stuff.00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.159


And I believe that the right person will help you get to like um places you never thought possible.00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:00.719


For sure.00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:01.679


And you can't settle.00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:02.079


Yeah.00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:04.719


You know, you have to be okay being alone.00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:05.280


Yes.00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:07.119


You have to be okay with yourself.00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:07.519


Yeah.00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.920


That's what invites the right person.00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:16.480


Because all you're doing is wasting your time and you're settling if you realize in your gut things aren't right.00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:24.960


And you know, when you're an adult, it's like your partner needs to be in line with you where you see a future with them.00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:32.000


Otherwise, you're you are wasting your time and you're risking your happiness, you're risking your ambition and your drive.00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:34.559


So you have to be okay being single.00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:39.679


You have to be fine being alone, having quiet nights, weekends, weeks, whatever.00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:40.159


Yeah.00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:49.519


And then when that person comes around, it's like this breath of fresh air because you haven't needed it, and it just has to complement your life.00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.400


You know, the the heart is so stupid, right?00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:56.880


And uh, and that's why I think there is like a litmus test for this too.00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:01.760


I think you really have to just, and I I'm not saying like, I think this is where people are doing it wrong too.00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:07.519


It's like the girls on the apps and stuff are like, he has to be six foot two and he has to make, you know, 400 grand a year and all this stuff.00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:07.920


Oh, no.00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.559


I think I think that's the wrong thought towards it.00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:20.800


But I do think that you have to use a certain amount of logic to these are the things that I will only allow if you pass this gate of logical things to get into my life that you could potentially get into my heart.00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:20.960


Right.00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.239


Because once you get into the heart, we will make stupid choices all day long, right?00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:40.239


So make the smart choices out here and make it towards like supportive people, people that believe in you truly, people that like want the best from you, your best self, aren't aren't uh um uh jealous when you level up and want to do things for yourself.00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:41.760


Yeah, absolutely.00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:47.599


And so I'm kind of leading you into this too because I'd also like to give people, I think you're great advice for this.00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.119


I think one of the better places to meet partners could be at the gym.00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.280


I think very few people know how to do it, you know.00:50:53.360 --> 00:51:00.159


It's like I'd love to hear your advice, you know, from being a beautiful woman at the gym, training people these days.00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:01.360


It's a really big environment.00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:04.719


Like, should people approach one another at the gym?00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:06.559


And how they should they do it if they should?00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:08.000


That's a great question.00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:14.480


Um, because you know, again, it's uh people always relate gyms to being a meat market.00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:19.840


And it's like, I'm just here trying to, you know, clear my mind, get my workout in, leave me alone.00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:25.599


Yeah, I think if if there is true interest, it needs to be a slow roll method.00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:26.000


Uh-huh.00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:30.480


And it just needs to be, you know, are you talking to everyone?00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:30.719


Yeah.00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.199


Are you just beelining for this hot chick because you're like, whoa, okay.00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:35.599


Yeah.00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:47.760


Now, if you're just that person that's encouraging, like you said, and you see someone that's older or someone that's maybe overweight and they they seem a little intimidated, are you encouraging and just trying to be that friendly gym goer?00:51:48.000 --> 00:52:04.320


That's your best shot at being able to have a genuine conversation where you don't come across as a creep or weird or, you know, just influencing them where they now don't want to go to the gym because they're like, I don't want to run into that person.00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:04.719


Yeah.00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:10.559


It's just casually creating the conversation, finding some common ground outside of the gym.00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:10.800


Yeah.00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:12.559


Because clearly you have that in common.00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:13.039


Sure.00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.119


That's the way you can be successful.00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:20.480


I've seen so many relationships that have been cultivated through the gym.00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:20.719


Yeah.00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:27.280


Because you have a shared interest and something that is big that you both care about, you can do together.00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:29.840


You just have to do it in the right way.00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.320


You can't come up and say, hey, how you doing?00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.079


You know, it's like, come on.00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:34.559


Yeah.00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:42.880


And I do see that a lot too, especially if it's, you know, a hot chick in the gym and a guy, it's usually the guy going to the girl, let's be honest.00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:52.719


But I also don't like the girls who come in wearing next to nothing and then get mad at the men because someone's staring at them.00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:56.320


That's again, like you're you're inviting eyes.00:52:56.480 --> 00:53:04.239


If you're wearing something that's a little seductive in the gym, then you have to be okay with people staring because that doesn't mean they're being creepy.00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:10.960


I mean, I could get called out for like glancing and head turning, like, oh wow, that she looks great.00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:11.199


Yeah.00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:13.119


That doesn't mean number one, I'm hitting on her.00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.599


That doesn't mean I'm jealous of her, doesn't mean I'm judging her.00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:15.920


Yeah.00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.000


But my head turned, like, wow.00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:18.400


Yeah.00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:27.519


So there's that happy medium that people have to be open to social engagement at a gym.00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.800


But if you're really trying to meet someone, just go about it the right way.00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:32.639


And I always say you got to slow roll.00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:33.920


So that's great.00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.079


Advice, I feel like more directed towards men.00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:36.880


Slow your roll.00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:37.199


Right.00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:41.039


And then like get familiar and then probably say a little hello here and there.00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:41.360


Sure.00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:43.440


You know, and then like lead up to earning it, right?00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:44.400


Yeah, absolutely.00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.760


Is there a advice from a women's angle different?00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:57.039


I would say um it's kind of the same in a way, just because the the thing I will say, a lot of people in the gym don't wear their wedding rings.00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:57.360


Yeah.00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:03.199


So you have to be conscious that they could be married, or even if they're not married, if they're in a relationship.00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:07.840


So why not try to at least have a good gym community?00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:08.480


Agreed.00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:13.280


So if you find someone, whether you're attracted to them or not, and you're a female, go up to them.00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:14.880


Maybe you like their style of training.00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:16.639


What is it that interests you?00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:21.440


Maybe it's that they lift a certain way, or it's their form that you're curious about.00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:22.880


Create a dialogue.00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:26.400


If you feel it's reciprocated, then you know it's okay.00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:28.000


You're not crossing a line.00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:32.480


Hell, for all you know, there are significant others in the gym somewhere going, what the hell?00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:34.159


And then now there's drama.00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:45.039


So it all goes back to kindness, um, being genuine in your approach, trying to create a communication dialogue that's genuine.00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:49.199


But for girls too, I feel like they might be a little more intimidated.00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:53.440


Guys seem to be more serious than girls in the gym and focused.00:54:53.519 --> 00:55:07.360


And, you know, like you said, I feel like a lot of the clients, because I trained so many men and women throughout my career as a coach, guys tend to need the gym to work through stuff mentally, anger, whatnot.00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:07.599


Yeah.00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:13.679


Girls are going in, they need to burn calories, they need to, you know, socialize with some of their friends.00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.280


They're not so focused on sets, reps, you know, whatever.00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:26.000


So it can be a little harder, I feel like, sometimes for a girl to go up to a guy, yeah, because it's not as common in the gym.00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:28.320


But do it, do it genuinely.00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:28.800


Sure.00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.159


Um, and just again, know that, know your place.00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:34.320


Don't be so forward direct.00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:41.679


Um, you know, if you want to give a little subtle flirt just to see how it's received, great, go for it.00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:47.119


Because it's a great place to meet somebody that in our adult life, it's like, where do you go?00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:48.880


The gym, the bars.00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:54.880


You know, sometimes that's like literally the only two places that it's pretty common for people our age.00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:55.119


Yeah.00:55:55.280 --> 00:56:00.000


Well, if you're not a drinker, you don't want to meet your partner at a bar, where do you go?00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:08.320


So a gym is a great place to find someone that at the end of the day, maybe they become your accountability partner at the gym.00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:14.800


You work out together, you meet up, and you just engage a badass friend for life.00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:15.679


Absolutely.00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:18.800


I've met some great, great friends, lifelong friends at the gym.00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.639


Um, one last thing I want to touch on before we're out of time today.00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.559


You have two young boys.00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:25.840


Wait, how old?00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:29.440


Well, they're they're older now, so they're 17 and 19.00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:31.599


Oh let me ask you this question.00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:33.440


We're working on something on masculinity.00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:39.920


Um, and uh so I'm curious, who do you tell them, besides their father, right?00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.199


Who do you tell them is a good role model for them in this day and age?00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:57.119


Truthfully, it's um business professionals, it's entrepreneurs, because a lot of being an entrepreneur myself, and I'm in some uh networking organizations where I've met some genuine people who are just authentic, yeah.00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:00.480


Who share their struggles, their journeys.00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:02.800


They are parents themselves.00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:09.920


So, you know, my boys have seen me running multiple businesses and trying to juggle a ton.00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:14.000


I've always been very open and real with my boys.00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:21.760


We have, you know, I feel very fortunate that I have such a close relationship with my boys that we literally talk about anything and everything.00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.960


Sometimes to the point where I'm like, I'm your mom, remember.00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:25.519


Yeah.00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:25.920


Yeah.00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:38.960


But um, you know, it's it's really helping them understand it's okay to reach out to people and ask their story and to ask hard questions, to ask interesting questions.00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:45.920


I have my two older brothers who I'm super close with, and so they have their uncles that they always can go to.00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:46.320


Yeah.00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:51.199


Um, my ex, you know, we're great friends too, and he has an incredible family.00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:59.199


So they're surrounded by amazing men who are open and don't close off.00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:02.000


You know, they share their feelings, they share their emotions.00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:08.960


But I also love that they get intrigued by entrepreneurs, you know, it's like they see success.00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:11.440


And I want them to realize it doesn't come easy.00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:13.199


It's never just handed to you.00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:20.000


And all these people that you admire for what they are, who are more, you know, when it's outside of family, they're more superhero-ish.00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:20.400


Yeah.00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:22.079


It's like, oh, it wasn't easy.00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:23.039


Well, tell me about that.00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:24.320


And they're intrigued.00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:41.519


So my boys have some mentors that are in the business arena and they help them in regards to, you know, guiding where they want to go in their life, but also talk to them, you know, as if they're their own child or, you know, a family member.00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:45.840


And then, of course, um, my boyfriend, he is incredible with them.00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:59.519


And he's been such a good role model for them to talk about just tough situations, personal situations, goals, and he brings that different perspective that a mom can never, you know, give.00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:02.239


There, there's some things I'll never understand.00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:08.320


So I love having strong men in their life that from a variety of backgrounds.00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:16.239


I think that's what's important is to have various people for your children, men or women.00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.679


You know, if you have girls or boys, I think it goes both ways.00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:23.760


The gym, and you're you're heavily involved with this, especially in the bodybuilding world.00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:27.519


It's like we can have the overboard alpha male style.00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:28.400


Oh sure, right?00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:36.880


And it's like, so, and then we can have like uh a lot of people think men are weak in today's society, you know, and so there's like two polar opposites of the spectrum.00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:37.360


Oh, yeah.00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:39.920


What do you think is proper masculinity in this day and age?00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:41.280


What do you want your boys to be?00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:53.519


I well see, I personally love a man's man, someone who knows how to fix things, who's decisive, knows how to plan a date, um, know wants to go camping, hunting, you name it, right?00:59:53.599 --> 01:00:01.599


I love that that masculine man, but they also need to have a heart that they're not afraid to show.01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:02.079


Yeah.01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:07.840


And as a mom, I, you know, being a single mom, I kind of had to play both roles.01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:10.800


And to be honest, I mean, I grew up with two older brothers.01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:14.239


I am, I was a tomboy for so many years of my life.01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:24.159


So I probably have a little bit more of the masculine side of being, you know, for a female than maybe some other women, but they got to see both of it.01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:36.800


And like I said, I was, you know, when I dealt with struggles with business or sadness, my mom with cancer, they saw me as a broken, sad, hurting individual.01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:51.920


But then they also saw me as Miss Olympia World Championship, traveling the world with Arnold Schwarzenegger, competing on crazy stages, running multiple businesses, having to, you know, lead meetings and be cutthroat on decisions.01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:58.800


And so they've seen different sides for who I would love to see them be.01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:00.960


I want them to have a good mix of it.01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:06.400


You can't be this full alpha male without that empathy and care.01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.599


And, you know, they both want to have kids of their own.01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:24.960


That's where I see a good, well-rounded dad where they can teach them how to change a tire and um how to catch fish and and then also how to be vulnerable and show raw emotion and raise beautiful little girls.01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:32.159


You know, how as a dad do you relate to a daughter if you are complete alpha male?01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:34.239


So it's a hard balance.01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:35.760


Um, and and you're right.01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:46.400


They today's society, there's a lot of soft men, and it's, you know, there's if you're one extreme of the other, yeah, I don't think either is a good thing.01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:56.159


Trying to find that soft, good, strong balance is good, which could be contradictory, but you gotta have a few different sides to your personality.01:01:56.400 --> 01:02:01.679


I mean, the one of the premises of the show is, and our intention is to build more kind-hearted badasses.01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:02.000


Yeah.01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:02.320


Right.01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:02.960


Absolutely.01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:06.239


I don't think you can be a badass without being kind at the same time.01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:08.079


But you need to be capable.01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:08.639


Right.01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:14.320


So um I have to ask, you know, um, you've spent some time around Arnold.01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:14.880


Mm-hmm.01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:18.480


Yeah, tell me something, uh, what's that's like, or do you have a story?01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:23.519


I'm I'm really interested in Arnold, like any young man that grew up in like my generation, you know.01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:24.000


Sure.01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:27.599


Um, and then one of his new documentary came out and it's one of my favorite lines.01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.239


I actually put it in my derailment box.01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:33.679


Yeah, it's um uh something around being useful, right?01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:34.320


Sure, yeah.01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.119


And so like I'd love to hear some insights around Arnold.01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:39.920


Gosh, well, so I was very fortunate.01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:49.039


I mean, I traveled for um over five years with him, you know, not like, oh, we traveled on the same plane, but I you would get invited.01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:57.599


So there was about eight to nine of us girls who would get invited to compete in Brazil, Australia, Spain, like all over the country at his events.01:02:57.679 --> 01:02:59.760


It was just bodybuilding and fitness.01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:00.159


Yeah.01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:03.280


And uh, you know, so you waited to see if you got invited.01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:08.960


And at those events, there were certain opportunities where we would get to have private dinners, the athletes with him.01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:19.760


Um, I got called to do some guest performances too, where there was an event we went to and it was three of us that randomly uh his assistant was like, Well, he's heading to dinner, you guys want to go?01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.079


And we're like, Yeah, you kidding me?01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:27.679


So I was fortunate to have very intimate meetups with him.01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:28.159


Uh-huh.01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.039


And this was during some times that there was some scandal.01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:36.480


So to be honest, the first time I actually was like in a room with just there was, I think, eight or nine of us.01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:36.880


Yeah.01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:39.039


I thought, gosh, what is he gonna be like?01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:39.440


Yeah.01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:44.960


Uber professional and so passionate about the sport.01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:45.440


Yeah.01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:53.840


I remember there was one show, and it was my second year traveling with him, and it's I had not yet had the opportunity to have one of these um small meetups with him.01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:59.199


And he came backstage after one of my performances and he said, I remember you.01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:03.360


You're you're exciting, you're dynamic, you're so powerful.01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:04.639


I'm like, wow.01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:16.880


And he commented on one of my routines that I did the previous year, and he's like, and your quads, like he was down to details that I thought, how does he know this?01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:19.920


But we had some incredible conversations.01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:25.760


He knew athletes, their body parts, their best features, things he wanted them to improve on.01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:29.119


He loved this, loves the sport.01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:33.519


Yeah, his passion was so authentic.01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:35.840


That's what surprised me the most.01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:41.599


And then he loved to share stories like about his travels and his childhood.01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:44.960


And it you could just sit there and listen.01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:55.199


And incredible storyteller, but it was almost like watching a documentary on his life, but you're literally sitting two feet away.01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:55.519


Yeah.01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:59.920


And crazy story, he actually set up my own my personal Snapchat.01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:04.960


We were in Brazil and at one of the dinners, and he was Arnold knew Snapchat?01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:08.159


Yeah, he was that's when it was he was doing it, and he was big on it.01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:08.400


Uh-huh.01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:10.000


And he said, Oh, get your Snapchat.01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:10.960


And I'm like, Oh, I don't have it.01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:12.400


He's like, What?01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:16.320


So he's sitting there setting it up, and then he couldn't figure out something.01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.840


His assistant comes and he goes, No, no, no, I'm gonna set up her Snapchat.01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:29.440


So I actually had these photos, and I'm sitting there, like, oh my gosh, like Arnold is personally on my phone setting up my Snapchat account.01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:50.480


It was just everything was so surreal, but it was like you're sitting next to, I wouldn't say your brother, but maybe like your boss, where you're just kind of like in awe of what they've achieved and excited to be able to be in that environment, and you just want to learn so much about them.01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:52.880


Are you in Arnold Snap Buddies?01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:53.760


Yes.01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:56.960


I mean, I I think to be honest, I don't really use it.01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:58.320


I did for a little bit.01:05:58.639 --> 01:05:59.760


I just love the goofy.01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:00.559


Filters.01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:02.239


Of course, at that time my boys were young.01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:07.760


And so I got home from that trip and I'm like, guys, and that's what I used it for for years.01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:10.320


I my boys are definitely on Snapchat.01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:11.840


Everyone is, it seems, these days.01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:13.920


I don't use the platform much.01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:16.320


So I think I still am, I'm sure.01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:28.480


Part of our uh documentary we're working on on like um the state of masculinity and monitored society is like, I'd love to ask Arnold some questions on what a masculinity was and is now in his belief, right?01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:30.800


And young men should look up to.01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:34.000


So um I can't thank you enough for joining today.01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:35.280


Oh, I've loved this.01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:36.000


This is stuff.01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:39.199


You and I, when we get together, yes, we'll start chatting.01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:42.000


And it's like, oh my gosh, three hours later, what?01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:42.480


Yeah.01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:46.639


That's why, you know, it's like, and I'm not afraid to use my friends as a tool, right?01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:47.599


You know, to help.01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:52.480


And I'm like, I know there's so many different directions we can go with this conversation.01:06:52.800 --> 01:07:01.519


And my goal is always, like I said, like I have a belief in the person that we're doing this for, to the point where it's like, I get excited in the morning.01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:04.239


I was thinking this morning, I'm like, this is gonna be so good for them.01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:05.679


This is gonna be so helpful, you know.01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:12.079


It's like, and like it's been a little couple, you know, months now that I've been thinking about what's the best angle and reading your book and that sort of stuff.01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:13.599


And I was like, grit, you know?01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:19.440


And originally my intention was like, let's help them to teach how to get off of grit because it can be dangerous at some point, too.01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:20.880


Yeah, it but definitely can.01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:24.239


That's gonna help me, you, and a very small percentage of the world.01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:24.480


Right.01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:26.960


What we need to teach people is how to have grit, right?01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:27.440


Absolutely.01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:36.000


I'll do an episode at 1045 that will worry about how to ease off grit because that's what you need it for everything you want to accomplish in life.01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:38.159


You're such an amazing inspiration.01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:42.239


The other thing is I wanted to show my way is not always the right way, right?01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:47.199


You know, I I use negative energy, I use it very positively, I burn through it to do good things, right?01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:49.360


But I wanted to show them the other side too.01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.360


You don't have to be negative, you don't have to be angry.01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:56.079


You you know, it's like, and you've used that precisely to I haven't been Mr.01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:57.280


Olympia, right?01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:01.199


You know, yeah, and like so maybe if I'd use some positive energy, I would have.01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:07.519


We all have our own way as long as you're moving forward, you know, you're doing something right.01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:10.079


Yeah, but uh thanks so much for joining us.01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:12.000


Um, you can find Whitney on social media.01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:14.239


I think it's just Whitney Jones Instagram, right?01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:17.760


It's Whitney Um Jones underscore IFBB pro.01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:18.640


Okay, there you go.01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:20.159


And she does all kinds of funny stuff there.01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:22.000


She's got a book, When Broken.01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:22.159


Yeah.01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:23.920


Great book, all about grit.01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:28.560


And it has really cool sections in it where you can kind of like action out some of the details and that sort of stuff.01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:30.399


Oh, yeah, all accountability, right?01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:33.039


You don't, you're not gonna achieve things just by thinking.01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:34.640


You've got to have an action plan.01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:40.720


You're one of my favorite people, and it's like you're just such a kind-hearted badass, and you're such a good message for people out there.01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.840


And I I hope the audience got a lot out of it today.01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:47.600


And uh, please do this, folks, because like you can see the other side of this.01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:49.039


What if Whitney had quit?01:08:49.119 --> 01:09:01.760


You know, it's like yeah, and like I thank myself for like starting things, you know, that I was afraid of, you know, it's like, and the second now I start to like think about something I'm at least in interested in the least bit, yeah, I just do it, right?01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:03.840


Pay attention to those butterflies.01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:09.359


Yeah, if that kind of gives you that fear and that excitement, go all in.01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:12.640


Yeah, there's a reason your body reacted that way.01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:13.199


Totally.01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:14.319


So figure out why.01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:15.840


If you fear it, you gotta do it.01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:17.199


Yeah, that's how you grow it.01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:17.840


Oh, yeah.01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:19.840


All right, it's just like a muscle, you know.01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:20.319


Exactly.01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:20.960


You gotta wear it.01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:24.960


So uh thanks for joining us, folks.01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.199


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